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Hunting - With Firearms or Bows; Is it still a moral pursuit in 2015 ?

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It is interesting how the conservative element in society tie everything to the almighty dollar! No matter what the issue is the money hungry mob reduce it to dollars and cents. Big game hunting in Africa is a prime example where mega rich Americans and Europeans will pay big bucks to kill a majestic animal such as an elephant, lion rhinoceros etc. Cop the bimbo in the attached link who has "scored herself" a leopard. This girl is well known for her exploits at killing wildlife in Africa and other parts of the world. Like for all these big brave "hunters", her African safari is carefully stage managed so there is no possible danger to the "hunter", just sure and certain death for the poor animal, and some have the audacity to call it sport, I would call it barbarism!

http://learningenglish.voanews.com/content/trophy-hunting-south-africa/2412610.html
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 10 January 2015 5:52:16 PM
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But without the hunters dollars there would not be the management that is now necessary for African animals to survive.
Without the hunters dollars the wlld animals would be killed for food and the predators would just be killed because they were a nuisance.
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 10 January 2015 8:00:28 PM
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PAUL1405...

What a useless piece of garbage that 'air-headed' women must be, to destroy a magnificent big cat like that ! To me that's totally unethical and unequivocally 'wicked', in every sense of the word, and serves no purpose at all. Actually it makes me want to throw up, it really does ?

What most people don't realise she has a licenced guide that takes her and her friends into authorised hunting regions, and when suitable game has been identified, she takes the shot. She has several safety shooters with her, in case she only wounds the animal, and the poor bugger becomes wild with agony and represents even more of a danger ! I think it's absolutely immoral and totally unethical, considering, we now live in the year 2015 for heavens sake ? Surely we've almost lost the 'craving and the lust' for killing, for killing's sake ? Apparently not.
Posted by o sung wu, Saturday, 10 January 2015 8:18:52 PM
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"Appeal to emotion or argumentum ad passiones is a logical fallacy characterized by the manipulation of the recipient's emotions in order to win an argument, especially in the absence of factual evidence.

This kind of appeal to emotion is a type of red herring and encompasses several logical fallacies, including appeal to consequences, appeal to fear, appeal to flattery, appeal to pity, appeal to ridicule, appeal to spite, and wishful thinking."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion

What about considering a well-researched, constructive report that takes all of the relevant issues into account?

See here,

'Recreational Hunting, an International Perspective'
CRC Sustainable Tourism'
By Johannes Bauer & Jack Giles
WILDLIFE TOURISM RESEARCH REPORT SERIES: NO. 13
Status Assessment of Wildlife Tourism in Australia Series

http://crctourism.com.au/wms/upload/resources/bookshop/RecHunting13_Bauer.pdf
Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 10 January 2015 9:39:15 PM
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Beach, I am sorry some of us have allowed the valueless human emotions of love and kindness etc to blind us to the economic rationalism of killing majestic will animals in Africa or anywhere for that matter, shame on us all! Yes I totally agree there is a quid to be made out of killing these wonderful animals. BUT I don't give a toss about the money, shock horror a blasphemer no less! My concern is for the poor animals that have to be slaughtered in this way to satisfy the blood lust of a mega rich few, I say stuff em', not the animals but the so called "hunters".

o sung wu, thanks for that, my son who holds an unrestricted gun licence in NSW, told me how these safari's are arranged in Africa, they are simply a no contest, in no way can they be described as "sport". I am not opposed to the humane killing of animals per se, we humans kill million of them daily, sometimes under very questionable circumstances in our never ending drive to feed an ever increasing population. I do not believe my opposition on the one hand to what I see as unjustified senseless killing, and then support for what is necessary for human survival on the other.

Its all a matter of prospective, I have a very dear friend, yes she is a (young about 25) Green and an animal rights activists, she is totally opposed to all animal slaughter, she thinks I am barbaric with the above opinion. When we meet for a coffee (she is a cheap shout, drinks water), she doesn't, drink, smoke, eat meat or take drugs, works full time. In a way if we were all like "B" Australia would be a much better place, no crime, sorry no cops needed, she only sees good in people.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 11 January 2015 7:53:25 AM
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G'day there PAUL1405...

Please don't misunderstand me I'm no 'raving greenie', but I see no need whatsoever to be escorted by a licenced (expert) guide to a place where you can bag yourself one of the 'big four' (Elephant, Lion, Rhino & the magnificent, Bengal Tiger - native to India ).

I realise I'm diametrically at odds with my esteemed mate, IS MISE, and I do understand what it is, he's advocated herein. However there's got to be a better way, to manage, protect and control Africa and India's big game ? It horrifies me to see these mainly rich American's, troop over to Botswana or the RSA somewhere, pay the 'per head' licence fee, hire the licenced guides and shoot one of these magnificent beasts ! All the while there's two reserve shooter's nearby to protect you, should you only wound the animal - how bloody brave these bastards are ! Mate, it really makes me violently ill !

At least back at the turn of the century, some of the legendary 'Big Game Hunters' showed some courage, when they stalked these wild beasts. The likes of Theodore ROOSEVELT, US President 1901-1909, a Big Game Hunter of courage and repute, and considered the 'Great Conservationist' ? Showed extreme courage when hunting, using only his 'beater's' and guide to assist him. Probably the greatest of the English hunters, the indomitable, Frederick Courteney SELOUS often took, only his 'beaters' with him, when he set out on a hunting safari. The famed 'Selous Scouts' of Rhodesia, was subsequently named in his honour. In that era, there was some morality. Today, nothing at all ?
Posted by o sung wu, Sunday, 11 January 2015 1:31:06 PM
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