Boaz,

Another youtube link to shut FH because Boaz is like FoxNews: you like a single monopoly on preaching your version of truth.
I noticed many of the video scenes refer to angry Palestinian youth. If you live their shoes you will probably have the same anger, religion becomes a catalyst. You can’t ignore masses feelings of injustice.

* “Be thankful FH that you will never see the desire in me to do things like in that video to Muslims”
I don’t believe so anymore, I think you have an ongoing desire to be like those people. Only you are too scared to do it yourself so you are motivating others until we see it in the news that a faithful follower of your teachings committed a Martin bryant like act in a sydney mosque. Even probably then you won't have the guts to stand up and take accountability for your actions.

* “I think many of those Muslims are in fact demon possessed. Nothing else explains the level of evil emanating from them”.
You and the people on the video are one of the same fabric the difference is they are hiding behind a crescent and you are hiding behind a cross. You are the christo mirror of AbuBakr Basheer: no blood on your hands but you have dedicated your life to inspire fear and hatred of the 'other'. We are all humans.

Finally, please don’t use ‘mate’ and mateship to patronise me. I lived long enough in Australia to have real mates and I did learn that sincerity, honesty and fair go is what mateship means to Australians.

You should be ashamed of your actions. But for some unknown reason you lost that inner compass that tells right from wrong and yet you keep quoting from the bible. Amazing.

Steven

If I had a ball and it was red, and you said "no it is blue". Then you went to tell children in a childcare centre that red is actually blue. Misleading the innocent children over your “freedom of speech”. That’s my point. Don’t say something if it’s a load of rubbish claiming “this is what it is like”.

Immunity? As if anything needs immunity you should critique all the time! And distinguish the truth for yourself. Miss directing could incite violence out of emotional reactions.

Ok no worries, right now my time is tight, maybe during the long weekend I’ll get a chance to tell you what she claims isn’t accurate.

People can say what I don’t like I don’t care, it’s not about liking or hating it’s about truth and misguidance.

Creeping of sharia-nisation lol that’s a funny one. I dunno where you live, or how many muslims you know or your relations with them though what is the threat of sharia? Why would it be a threat, its practically impossible so I don’t see your concerns.

I don’t think the problem is in attacking, attacking isn’t the right word either its more like trying to understand and question and verify such beliefs/practices and acts.

BOAZ muslims demon possessed :/ that is just strange…what type of evil do they have?

abcd wrote:

As it happens abcd I have had quite a bit of contact with Muslims both here in Australian and in my native South Africa. They are as diverse as any other group of humanity.

A proportion of them, and it's an uncomfortably large proportion, do take the idea of a resurrected caliphate of some description seriously and are prepared to fight for it. Some of them, a few, seriously see Australia as a province of the Indonesian part of the new Caliphate.

Make no mistake, religious Muslims are as dangerous as religious Christians were a few centuries ago. Perhaps even more so because our weapons technologies have improved so much since then.

You want to protect "innocent children" from lies?

WHO IS GOING TO BE YOUR TRUTH POLICE?

In other words, who is going to be your censor?

That is a serious question and I hope you'll answer it.

We cannot protect children from lies. The best we can do is instill in them a critical attitude. That means being as sceptical of what abcd says as of what John Howard says. It means adopting a "show me" attitude equally to Phillip Adams, John Howard, George Bush, the Dalai Lama and Imam Mahdi Bray.

And it means something very hard. Saying "I don't know the answer but I'm not going to accept your answer unless you offer me proof."

As for Hirsi Ali herself, what she says about Muslim society in Africa conforms to what I've seen myself. When apologists for Islam tell you these are all "cultural practices" that have nothing to do with Islam I hope you'll be as sceptical as you are when George Bush says torture is not part of US policy.

ABCD "some" Muslims (as with "some" so called Christians) are demon possessed)

F.H. you need a reality check.

How many times have I said "Mohammad understood 9:29 in OFFENSIVE and aggressive terms? I've backed this up with hadith after hadith, yet, you continually say "You don't understand Islam".

Well, I sure understand my language, and here are some further evidences of my claim.

http://www.swordofallah.com/html/bookchapter10page2.htm

In July 631 (Rabi-ul-Akhir, 10 Hijri), the Prophet sent a military expedition under the command of Khalid to the tribe of Bani Harithah bin Kab in Najran, which lies to the north of the Yemen. The instructions to Khalid were: "Call the tribe thrice to accept Islam. If they respond favourably, do them no harm. If they refuse, fight them." 1 With Khalid went 400 mounted warriors.

DUMA
http://www.2muslims.com/directory/Detailed/226323.shtml
The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) sent Khaild bin Walid to Ukaydir at Duma.
Khalid and his companions seized Ukaydir and killed his brother. Ukaydir was wearing a gown of brocade covered with gold. Khalid stripped him of this and sent it to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). Then Khalid brought Ukaydir to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) who spared his life and made peace with him on condition that he paid the Jizyah.

FH... do you have eyes to see?

"messenger of PEACE" sends Khalid the Hit man.
Khalid MURDERS Ukaydirs brother, drags Ukaydir to Mohammad.(peace?)

"Call them to embrace Islam 3 times, if they refuse FIGHT them.

Can "peace and murder/brutality" dwell as flatmates?

009.029
YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger.

He said it.. he did it... we read it... yet.. you don't see it, yet you have the gaul to criticize me for criticizing the above?
May God open blind eyes.Amen.

Steve

It’s not about truth police. It’s about being just it’s about having morals, being truthful and saying the truth is etiquettes people should have. I can’t stop you or anyone from lying, though I can try prevent it and if I can’t then I can’t. I only do what I am capable of. If you brain wash the children into believing red is actually blue. That’s your miss doing and that would be held upon your guilty conscious your whole life, unless you were egocentric and wouldn’t give a flying about anything or anyone except yourself.

People are lazy, that’s a reality even I am. Though some people are lazier than others, if someone says ‘look such such such is true’ most people will believe it because they have no other reason not to, why would someone lie they say. Also because no one else is standing up and saying anything contrary to it for whatever reason it is. But someone out of the crowd could think hmm I’d like to learn more about this such and such so they go and read and find out s/he has misguided them and others. Now when that person has come to truth there is only so much they can say to others all the other people who listened to the talk wouldn’t know and nothing could change that unless people got up and read.

BTW the truth police will be my studies and findings.

Anyway Hirsi talks about circumcison and arranged marriage. None of those practices are Islamic, they are rather cultural. Though so you know a boy must get circumcised not a girl. The arranged married bit is cultural. A girl has every right to deny or accept the guy the only part that’s forbidden is secrecy of marriage: Quran 58:9, 58:10.

It might confirm your beliefs of what is practiced in that country it doesn’t mean they are following proper Islamic practices. There is a difference. The Quran is the book for muslims please show me how I am wrong in the above statements.

Hey BOAZ what’s with you and hadiths lol you make me laugh let me show you something:

"These are God's revelations that We recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than God and His revelations do they believe?" 45:6

"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?" 6:114

"You will find that the Sunna of Allah is the only Sunna" (33:62....35:43.....48:23)

"The only duty of the messenger is to deliver God's message" 5:99 (also in 5:92...16:35.......16:82.....24:54.......29:18.....42:48.......64:12)

And the list can go on and on and on. So quoting hadiths or bukhari and muslim or those other sahih ones are just useless.

9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Oh gosh you forgot some really critical part of that quote “Until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued”

Do you even know what Jizya is? Go wise one, go do some research then come back to me and re-explain the verse. Because you explained it wrong.