ABCD.. you spelt it out quite nicely. While I might 'hate' Mohammad and Islam (for the sake of a terminology) and while I might take serious political exception to some Muslims, I certainly don't become a rabid stormtrooper at the sight of "any" muslim.

I feel sorry for anyone sucked in by a cult. That includes Muslims.

ABCD..I tend to be skeptical of any source, and that includes Hadiths, and guess what.. I pay a LOT of attention to the chain of transmitters, because I have a strong interest in the general concept of 'oral tradition' and its implications for the Bible.
For example.. in Muslim.. book 1 numbers 29,30,31,32 and 33 mostly have different authorities, but the come up with the same result.

There are other traditions in Bukhari, where a narration from Muslim is quoted word for word as a sub paragraph or sub hadith in bukhari Hadith, and even by different chains. I also check the history/biography of each 'transmitter' quoted for the hadith, and see what their relationship was with Mohammad and other companions.

Also ABCD, any Muslim who does not accept Muslim and Bukhari as minimum, let alone Abu Dawood etc.. is on shakey ground as the major schools of Islamic law accept them.

Steven.. in spite of my Bray thread, I totally agree with you about free speech, for or against any and all religions, even if I don't like it. As I told Pericles, that thread was a 'pawn' in the OLO game of debating chess.

If ur in Melbourne tonight, drop along to Beth Weisman in Caulfield at 7:00pm for a screening of "Obsession".

Boaz_David,

I've seen Obsession. I think it misses the point.

The problem is not Muslim terrorism. The problem is appeasement of Muslims which leads to a kind of creeping "sharia-nisation" of society.

Exhibit A for sharia-nisation is Victoria's notorious "Racial and Religious Tolerance Act." It introduces censorship under the guise of promoting "tolerance."

Note the conflation of "race" and "religion." Laws against attacking people on grounds of race and ethnicity are understandable. People are born into a race or ethnicity. They have no choice. To attack people on those grounds is vile.

But adults in Australia do have a choice when it comes to religion. Religion is an ideology or system of belief. Attacking a system of belief is perfectly justifiable.

Note that attacking a religion like Islam does not mean denying Muslims their civil liberties. Muslims are at liberty to believe what they want and to attempt to evangelise for Islam. What they may not do is attempt to abridge the liberties of kafirs.

I feel sorry for anyone sucked in by a cult. That includes BOAZ_David.

"Obsession"? How appropriate.

Steve.. glad you saw that. I wonder how CJ and his gang would react to viewing that material.

There were more yamulka's in Beth Weisman per square meter than I've seen in my whole life. (Probably more doctors and lawyers too)
They take strong security measures. Like an airport.

The creeping Sharia is a HUGE concern, and the RRT is one symptom.
One particularly striking example of spitting in the face of freedom, (from the movie) was those Muslims in America who were

a) Telling everyone how they have freedom of speech, mocking Americans.
b) Walking over the American flag while talking.

The silly thing about the RRT2001 Act is that you can do ALL the things it prohibits, as long as you remove it from your person by one layer, i.e. as a work of art/theatre.

You can mock, ridicule, hold in serious contempt, laugh at and even incite hatred against other religions, and all the rest, as long as you do it as a 'character' and I have a very clear letter from the EOC supporting this. So, the act is farce.

The good news is, that awareness of creeping sharia and Islamic radicalism IS growing and encompassing many different faith or non faith positions, all drawn together over this issue.

CJ thanx for your concern about my 'cult' status. I am also concerned about yours:) now...where did that come from ? hmmm must have been (one of) those 'voices'.

Steve,

A key issue is how islam is being taught: ww.readingislam.com

Boaz,

Fact 1: hadith was collected 100 years or more after the prophet's death. There is a special science for hadith.
Fact 2: hadith is a complementary part of the Islamic faith and not compulsory like the Quran for example.
Fact 3: majority of Muslims know and read 2-3% of the hadith. Many of the remaining hadith are not in circulation or proven to be 'weak'or untrue by more modern scholars.

Boaz, Islam is no different than christianity since we both believe in Jesus. You can debate as much as you like but please google : deedat vs swaggart to learn the art of religious debates with no name calling or nastiness. It reflects poorly on yourself and goes against the faith you claim to be representing.

F.H. says.. "Islam and Christianity are not much different"....

MATE... (20 x exclamation marks).. see this, and then try to repeat that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGt-5gml0xk

That...is the Islam of today outside Australia(oh wait... we have 24 men on trial for at least alledgedly trying to do the same) ....

I dispute your 'facts' but will deal with them later. Let me just say that something being a 'fact' does not neccessarily change a fundamental truth.(which is also a fact:)

Be thankful FH that you will never see the desire in me to do things like in that video to Muslims. The most I'd ever do, is defend myself if attacked, and even then, I'd be focused on restraining the attacker.(as per the law)

There is something so terribly evil and dark about those people.. its like they are driven by Satan himself.. and I'm not kidding there.
I think many of those Muslims are in fact demon possessed. Nothing else explains the level of evil emanating from them.

Cheers mate.