"YES, I think the Australian government should allow Ayaan Hirsi Ali to visit Australia."

What an AMAZING coincidence.... and so true

I draw all readers attention to the NUMBER of this discussion about Mohammad..... yes.. really..

The number of the thread also indicates his true status to me.

C.J. you.. and me... in agreement ? :) stone the crows.

Bray ? yep.. he would make a good focal point for a demo.

But of course, Boazy. Mind you, I'd say equally positively:

"YES, I think the Australian government should allow Imam Mahdi Bray to visit Australia."

Speaking of demos, how did you go the other day? Did you get there on time, or did you get lost on the way? Did your sign stay in your back pocket, or did you display it?

CJ.... I ALmost didn't make it. *sigh*.. ratbag kids of today.. :)

I made my way to the train station, there was a train down below waiting.. I jumped on..and....nothing. Doors locked.. no movement.. nothing still.. time ....passses...by.... and I'm beginning to think I'll be late.

Then.. the driver marched towards the front of the train from the rear where he had been 'dealing' with some 'guilded youths' of "Man from Ironbark' ilk.. and then he got on the blower..

"I apologise passengers, these ratbag kids tried to hold up the train till their mates arrived... I want to get you all to work so you can pay your taxes which pay THEM THEIR BL--DY DOLE cheques"... and off we went with many passengers looking rather quizzical.

Being the chatty person I am, after a young student sat down beside me, I enquired about her study and future aspirations. She is doing politics and history and is about to start an assignment on the ....MIDDLE EAST.. welllllll did that get me started! We talked theology,history, Hamas Charter, Orthodox Judaism..Genesis/Bible the lot. Now.. she is educated :)

Arrived a tad late, everyone was inside VCAT court room already, no security at all, met up with 'fellow cultural warriors' ('morons' if ur telling this story :).. we sat through the proceedings, met up outside, displayed a few large signs.. got some public interest.. and choofed off to the nearby pub.. which was CLOSED.. then choofed back .. the blind leading the blind.. finally found a coffeee shop and had a natter... planned our "next exciting move" :)

Tomorrow, 6:00pm Caulfield RSL.. dinner with team, then on to Beth Weisman synagogue for a viewing of 'Obsession'.. see you there mate.
7.00pm.

I wouldn't call you "cultural warriors" morons necessarily, just seriously misguided and obsessed. Sounds like you had a good day though. I'm happy for you. Will you and your mates be wearing black shirts or brown at Caulfield?

I had a good day too - chopping wood and carrying water, as it were :)

BOAZ
I don’t have time to read the links (I will have a read later) though I will comment they aren’t from Islamic sources the story is based on hadiths which are considered weak. So whether this event happened or not is unknown.

Without a trail hah, you think they had trails back then, I’m sure they had treaties back then also examination? you don’t even know if there was any examination. Like I said there are gaps in the story and his life, sources from non Islamic sources is just reading a bias anti Islamic site which isn’t justified.

They didn’t have public courts as such. Bases on hearsay, I don’t believe such a man would kills someone for the sake of it, it makes no sense, especially as his role, and guess what if he did he went against his own message so that would be contradictory so the story isn’t complete. I hear one side not another, the judgment that is been made is bias.

It’s not a huge black mark, because you have examined the issue on one side, how can a judge be just if he only hears one side of the story? So the mark can’t be placed until proven guilty.

And guess what God wills everything (to my belief), so yes God did will that Iraq will be invaded etc, etc. It’s happening for a reason, it’s a sign for all of us.

You could stop muslims from immigration but what purpose is that, you clearly show your hatred and malice towards the group, kinda discriminatory don’t you think? If people wanted to become muslim they could convert, what about Aussie born/practicing muslims you can’t stop them from being muslim.

Doing some fascinating study is nothing, people dedicate their lives to study you probably know an atoms worth of knowledge about Islam and the companions even the religion itself