Oh I see the ALP computer output a packet !
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Joe said;
Muslims are as intelligent, and as good or bad, as anybody else.

I understand the sensitivity of this but Joe, they are not as intelligent on average than the rest of us.
We have to take this into account despite the sensitivity of the subject.
It appears that they are starting to recognise this themselves and some are trying to
change what Allah told Mohammad re cousin marriage.
With the fundamentalists that would be very dangerous for a moslem.

G'day Bruce and Joe,

Given what you say is correct, what then do you blokes advocate for the fundamentalists that riot when ever something happens they don't approve of. Like they did a couple of years ago over some video made on the other side of the world and lets not forget the Danish cartoons. And what about those that go, or want to, fight in civil wars in other countries.

Do we denounce them and kick them out of Aus and to where? Obviously we don't want them here with their antics and if the other muslims are peaceful and moderate, they don't want them here either.

How do we separate the sheep from the goats, then rid ourselves of the goats.

Dear Bruce,

I'm so sorry not to have included you in my
general comments earlier. I was running late
for an appointment and had to scoot.

You've raised some valid points.
Education is the key.
We can only understand a community
with the help of that community. We need to
steer away from extreme points of view and
try to work towards common ground, which is where
solutions hopefully will eventually be found.

I've stated my views on this forum and I really
have nothing further to add.

See you on another discussion.

Hi Banjo,

Like anybody else who breaks any law: they pay the penalty.

As for those who go overseas to fight for terrorism, or Islamo-fascism, or any other totally illegitimate cause, their passports should be revoked. End of.

To a very great extent, the resolution of the Islamo-fascist dilemma is one for Muslims to work out. Whatever any outsiders try to do is almost bound to be counter-productive. Of course, if the fascists carry out any atrocity in Australia, whether against Muslim Australians or non-Muslim Australians, then the full weight of the law should come down on them like a ton of bricks. Terror absolutely cannot be allowed to work.

Joe

Banjo, protesting anything is a democratic right, or should be, as long as it's peaceful protest. Anyone who riots is subject to the full weight of the law, we don't need special laws for different people.
If an immigrant continuously breaks the law then they should be deported, and that means any of them, Poms, Kiwi's, Muslims, anyone.
But only the offender, not their family, and if that means they suffer, too bad, the offender caused that, not us or the law.
As for those who want to go fight for IS, let them, help them even, but they renounce their citizenship and all rights by doing so, they can never be allowed to return, no matter what!
We do NOT need or want such religious extremists here in Oz, so why force them to stay?
I'm a great believer in the long-term effects of "Aussiedom", it has stood us in good stead for ages. Simply put, the immigrants huddle together and don't fit in terribly well, their children are a mixture of those who do and those who don't want to, but THEIR kids, and the generation after that, they are usually dinky-di Aussies through and through.
You only need to stand in any schoolyard today to see that in action, eyes open, many races and cultures, eyes shut, Little Aussies voices everywhere!
However, all that being said, I'm staunchly ANTI-immigration, of any sort, I even think we should abandon membership of the UN and refuse refugees entirely,we are already up the proverbial creek and multiculturalism is throwing away our paddle.
Too many people, too much pressure, not enough jobs and nowhere near enough resources, importing more will NOT cure any of these, no matter what that Canetoad Abbort says, nor what the dewy-eyed Lefty idealists proclaim either!

Sorry, Bruce, I can't go along with what you write:

"I'm staunchly ANTI-immigration, of any sort, I even think we should abandon membership of the UN and refuse refugees entirely,we are already up the proverbial creek and multiculturalism is throwing away our paddle.

"Too many people, too much pressure, not enough jobs and nowhere near enough resources, importing more will NOT cure any of these, no matter what that Canetoad Abbort says, nor what the dewy-eyed Lefty idealists proclaim either!"

Tonight, I was singing with a group at a citizenship ceremony, so many beautiful, mostly young, people and all so obviously proud to become Australians. Most of us admitted later to getting choked up at times, thinking about what some of them must have been through to get here. As someone said, to common acclaim, "Christ, this IS the lucky country." And by the looks, those new Australians came from a multitude of countries, so it's not as if they're ever going to gang up on 'us'.

No, I don't think there are too many people in Australia. But one thing Australia has is resources, at least natural resources, mountains of the stuff. As Henry Ergas and other economists have pointed out, we've relied on those mountains for too long, and our human resource development has been greatly neglected.

If anything, some of those migrants are going to go around us 'old Aussies' and get the training that those sorts of jobs require, while 'we' frig around expecting everything to stay the same, or, act like the last dung beetles in Australia fifty thousand years ago, sitting and waiting at the rear end of the last Diprotodon. Those migrants will probably get us out of a hole that we have created.

Joe