Dangerous stuff C J - But I suspect Boazy already has the Thought Police on your case .

What concerns me is his apparent lumping of all Muslims [since he thinks they can't be trusted ] into a group of people in Australia that we can never, and should never relate to.

This is a very dangerous attitude and one that rightly should be challenged as very wrong .

It is unfortunate he can not put his efforts into improving relations with our Muslim brothers .

Pericles_CJ_and_Kartiya

I refer you to a post by ABCD in the 'Mohammad was a' thread, where he describes political assasination of those saying 'nasty' things about Mohammad as 'so what'.....

Now.. a close look at ABCD's thinking will reveal the SAME thinking of the bloke who murdered Theo Van Gogh. If he subscribes to the idea that those who speak to other non muslim states and who write poetry which would be offensive to MOhammad can be murdered by night
-No Arrest.
-No trial.
-No opportunity to defend the charges.
....they just sent after him like rabid dogs in their fanatic zeal to 'kill the infidel'.

"lets GET the mongrel" <= This..is the founder of Islam.

Contrast this Quranic and Islamic reality from history with the 'sugar coated' answer given today:

http://islam.about.com/od/terrorism/f/terrorism_verse.htm

"It is clear from the context that these verses are discussing a defensive war, when a Muslim community is attacked without reason, oppressed and prevented from practicing their faith. In these circumstances, permission is given to fight back -- but even then Muslims are instructed not to transgress limits, and to cease fighting as soon as the attacker gives up. Even in these circumstances, Muslim are only to fight directly against those who are attacking them, not innocent bystanders or non-combatants."

Then, it follows that ABCD would agree that any person at any time, can be murdered for the same reason.
You say 'stirring up hate'..I say 'EXPOSING' hate.

I show you verse after verse of hate mongering in the Quran, and you write these off as 'fictional' not only is that shabby, it is dangerous, not to mention plain incorrect.

Pericles, Emmerson has to live ingonito under constant death threat due to his writings.

IF he slandered, Bray would be suing Emmersons butt off.

CJ..don't give up on me.. I need folks like you to demonstrate how muddy is the thinking of clearly intelligent people. By the way, have you invested in any Nigerian "Opportunities" lately ? :)

Leo Tolstoy "Even in the valley of the shadow of death, 2 and 2 do not make 6"

I feel at home just left of center but think we often fight for others freedoms, while having a quite understanding they would not do the same for us.
This is such a debate, I forever and ever will fight for every ones right to be heard.
But while holding the view there is no God I am quite sure some radical Islamist will stop at nothing to destroy us in the name of their God? truely? one people one world tens of Gods wanting other Gods followers blood? I will not except them in any way as a worthwhile life form.
Bit harsh? no reality will hit even the most reserved of us one day we will know we are indeed threatened by some not all from this community.
I have the gravest concerns that few from within this community publicly say they are opposed to this group.
I think Bush/Howard/ and Blair have helped the radicals with a poorly fought and thought out war they can not win.
But one day we must fight this hate filled, educated to kill group.
You could well ask why are the majority we so often hear exist in the country's these people come from have not destroyed the disease themselves.
Australia should let every one who wants to talk here do so after all we daily hear John Howard's lies.

"I show you verse after verse of hate mongering in the Quran, and you write these off as 'fictional' not only is that shabby, it is dangerous, not to mention plain incorrect."

Genesis 6:7 So the Lord said, I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth - men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air - for I am grieved that I have made them.

Genesis 7:23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out, men and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the earth.

Genesis 1:6-7 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing will be impossible for them. Come let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.

Genesis 19:24 Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah – from the Lord out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities – and also the vegetation in the land.

Genesis 22:2 Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about.”

Some examples from the the first book.

For a taste of what follows
Exodus 11:9-10 The Lord had said to Moses, “Pharaoh will refuse to listen to you – so that my wonders may be multiplied in Egypt.” Moses and Aaron performed all these wonders before Pharaoh, but the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not let the Israelites go out of the country.

Exodus 12:29 At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well.

R0bert

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R0bert, R0bert, when will you learn?

The Bible says these things metaphorically. They are not intended to be taken literally.

The Qur'an of course must not only must be taken literally, but it must be applied directly to the thinking of every contemporary Muslim, because it directs their actions, day and night, 24/7/365. Nessun dorma.

Oh, except for the good bits about compassion and stuff. That's just fluff to disguise the real intent.

Boaz has been saying this for long enough, why have you not understood?

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And Boaz, please.

>>Then, based on his poetry and political activities, Mohammad asked who will MURDER him... and Mohammad Maslama volunteered.
The went to him by NIGHT and lied to him, then stabbed him repeatedly until the blood drained from his body and he died<<

How does this compare with:

"This news threw King Henry... into a rage in which he was purported to shout: "What sluggards, what cowards have I brought up in my court, who care nothing for their allegiance to their lord. Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest."

... The knights found him at the altar, drew their swords and began hacking at their victim finally splitting his skull... 'he put his foot on the neck of the holy priest and precious martyr, and, horrible to say, scattered his brain and blood over the pavement'"

You are always very picky with your examples, aren't you?

Back in history, stuff happened. If you were to suggest that Henry II's actions are evidence that Elizabeth II is likely to have your head cut off on a whim, I'd suggest you are delusional.

>>a close look at ABCD's thinking will reveal the SAME thinking of the bloke who murdered Theo Van Gogh<<

That is a fairly serious slur, Boaz. Can you justify it? Or are you once again taking words out of context and building your hate-theories on them?

If I were ABCD, I would be extremely upset at being compared to a vicious fanatic killer. But maybe he is more tolerant of vacuous and thoughtless accusations than I.

Pericles....'No' those events recounted by Robert were not at all mean't to be taken metaphorically, they are history, reality, I haven't got the slightest desire to 'minimise' them into something metaphorical.

The existense of reports of such things is not a signal for us to go out and 'do likewise'. If you can find reasons or commands to that effect, by all means provide them.

Even Elijahs execution of the 400 Prophets of Baal, and presumably the 450 of Ashterath, lets realize that it did not happen without the direct and miraculous act of God in a seal of his soveriegn reality. (read it for details)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=11&chapter=18&version=31

"Then Elijah commanded them, "Seize the prophets of Baal. Don't let anyone get away!" They seized them, and Elijah had them brought down to the Kishon Valley and SLAUGHTERED there."

If you see this as a purely 'human' situation, you did not read the text. I see no resemblance whatsoever to the genocide of Mohammad in a tribal revenge frenzy against the Banu Qurayza Jews.

King Henry and comparing him to Mohammad, Jesus? Henry was just one of many kings, and individual who chose how he wanted to live his life. He did not 'found' a religion as Mohammad or Jesus did. (Though Jesus simply fulfilled the old Testament, not like he 'invented' a religion as Mohammad did)

ABCD .. yes, his way of thinking is a serious concern, and constitutes 'pre-terrorist' mindset. If you are agreeable with the idea of assasinating political enemies while they sleep, then why not members of his family, or his society ?
Remember his response to my raising of Ka'b "So what"?

So PLENTY!.. it means his thinking is a danger to our society. Feed him enough video's about "Oh look how the Great Satan is persecuting the poor innocent Muslims" and who knows where it might lead ?