Arjay while I share your opinion of the uneducated hate filled section of this community I differ on the way we handle it.
Headlines today in the Sydney press talk of death threats against a visiting female writer who is anti Islamist.
She has a storey to tell I want to hear and I want the public to hear should we ban her too?
NOWAY lets at least unlike some Islamist states [most?] hear the other side and gather evidence on just who s wrongly living among us full of hate and a danger to us.
While some think our understanding of the threat makes us red necks I have zero doubt only a free education can help those who are bigoted and hate filled in the name of a God.
And just as sure we must understand our enemy.
And demand accountability from those in this community who claim to be appalled by the radicals .
Lets stand up for our freedoms including free speech but learn from those who would never allow it in the country's they call home.

Pericles, "why should we be scared of people like this, and what they might say?"

I don't know what this particular guys message is but did see excepts (edited of course) of a visiting US preacher some time ago who was urging muslims not to have non-muslim friends.

Scared of him - no. Concerned that his work adds to the alienation some mossies already feel - yes. Preachers like this build on the work done by BD and others to ensure that we have social division and cultural/racial hate as on ongoing issue. It suits the agenda's of extremists on both sides.

I suspect that banning those who don't advocate violence is counter productive but I would like to see more effort from across the board to building bridges rather than tearing them down.

R0bert

Team.. the reason I began this thread, is found in this blokes 'sheep in wolves clothing' character and his involvement in a demonstration (reported to the US senate) where it had all the hallmarks of the early Nazi stirrings against Jews.

The demo in Lafayette park needs to be scrutinized by the AFP and Asio. This bloke is renowned for a 'quiet and humble eloquence' yet.. he stirs up rallies dedicated to slaughtering Jews.. (in the long run)

My concern, as for all such people, is that his presense here contributes to the growth and encouragement of a value system which manifests itself (if not now..then later) in the same kind of behavior in our streets. It is that value system which calls "behead those who insult the prophet".. etc and all those other slogans on signs during the London cartoon protests.

This man is a reported 'wahabbi'.. so the question arises, why did the Islamic Council of Victoria invite him ? I'm sure they would not invite someone who's views they considered dangerous or un-islamic....

This bloke is reported to have organized muslims to demonstrate and MOCK a court process... He is said (with what appear to be reasonable grounds) to be connected with the Muslim brotherhood terror organization...

Pericles.. you have again jumped on and dumped on peoples spelling, and sentence structure, without really looking at the social implications of such a person on our community.

Belly, in some ways I share your view of letting him come here, but only as a hook to hang some publicity on against Islamist extremism and terrorism in a 'friendly' cloak.

In fact.. him coming may even serve the cause of demonstrating the truth proclaimed by the 2 Dannies, and show the ICV for what it really is. ....just another wolf in sheeps garb.

I come back to the 'creating an new (false) religion' concept.. once an idea gains sufficient momentum, its level of falsehood does not change the fact that a lot of people are sucked in by it, and then, it gains political strength, community influence and so on.

Boaz, I was being satirical.

>>Pericles.. you have again jumped on and dumped on peoples spelling, and sentence structure<<

But if you would prefer that I were serious, I will try.

Why are you afraid of this person? What can he possibly say that will be a threat to this country and its people? Here are a couple of quotes from the man.

"These are things that need to be dealt with, because in the final analysis, if we surrender our precious civil liberties, the things that make this nation great, then indeed the terrorists have won."

Are you afraid to find out what those "things that need to be dealt with" are?

Here's another:

"What goes with our faith is to help others, to respond and show compassion when people need it, and I'm glad we can do it."

And another:

"As a Muslim, I can understand the emotional intensity of the issue, however, responding through violence does not uphold the dignity of our faith. Burning buildings and throwing bricks is definitely not the answer"

I don't feel greatly threatened by people who talk like this.

But then, what do I know? My response to the presence of these people - if I were religious, and if I were interested - is to listen and find out, rather than put my hands over my ears going "Lalalalala I can't hear you I can't hear you".

There are not many good reasons for excluding people from visiting our country and talking to us, and so far you haven't convinced me that you have found one.

What does this say about the Islamic Council of Victoria? Is it dominated or at least influenced by a religiously confined underclass intent on confining the rest of us to their cell. I feel sorry for the Muslims who conform to the strictures imposed by their religion they don’t seem to have much fun and their access to information is all screwed up with religious bias and censure.

Boaz seems determined to instill fear in us.

Won't work young fella - we are Australians !

Bring them in and we will have a yarn to them ,and find out what they are on about .