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Imam Mahdi Bray must never enter Australia.
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Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 4:33:36 PM
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You really can't keep on publishing innuendo and passing it off as fact, Boaz.
All your material comes from sites known to be virulently anti-Islam, but even there you will notice that all the "evidence" presented is suspect at worst and circumstantial at best. You say >>as [his sugar coated words] provide camoflage for his 'other' activities such as organizing violent demonstrations and mocking the legal process when it impacts on extremist muslims. Also.. as they camoflage his alleged connections with the Muslim brotherhood<< Here's another quote from the man himself: "We formed in 1993 to make it clear that we don't take our marching orders from anyone overseas, ... We have no connection to the Muslim Brotherhood." Fact is, we can't even play "yes he is", "no he's not" games, because there is actually very little of substance to hold against him. You naturally take the view that this is additional proof of his guilt - clear evidence that his "smooth silver tongued orator" is merely a cover for "stirr[ing] up racial hatred of gigantic and life threatening proportions" That's a big statement, Boaz, right there. Can you back it up? That Mahdi Bray has "stirred up racial hatred of gigantic and life threatening proportions". If so, be so kind as to post some of your supporting material here. Otherwise we are still in "The virginia Uni massacre.. done by a Muslim? 'Ismail X'" territory, aren't we? Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 5:11:57 PM
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He MOCKED a court proceeding in Saudi? Mein Godt in himmel! What next? And he called for a demonstration as a show of solidarity for this chap arrested in that bastion of free speech and democracy? Yeegads!
Yes, we must protect our liberal democracy by banning any foreigners who do the things that liberal democracies allow. Let's all hail Jihadwatch and Little Green Footballs as the rightful heirs to the new reality of truth, justice or the American way. Posted by justaguy, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 3:20:16 PM
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Should we be barring people from speaking at public functions because we don’t like what they will say?
I think not. The essence of free speech is, well, free speech. If we value free speech then Imam Mahdi Bray has as much write to speak in Australia as does Ayaan Hirsi Ali. See: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21811256-16947,00.html Posted by stevenlmeyer, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 3:30:22 PM
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It should be noted that Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a paid provocateur for the notorious American Enterprise Institute, which is a Likudnik "think tank" favoured and populated by hard core war mongering neoconservatives.
She is also an admitted perjurer with a worldview entirely inconsistent with the values of liberal democracy. Why this obvious contradiction fails to be noticed by the sycophantic adoring media luvvies, one can only speculate. Did Rupert have a cut of her book earnings? Posted by justaguy, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 3:56:51 PM
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Time for some detailed and exhaustive research on this guy (well a quick run with Google).
First up a short interview shown on youtube from Age of Hooper (whatever that is) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3gFAZvBJKY He was on the board of directors of the US Interface Alliance http://www.interfaithalliance.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=8dJIIWMCE&b=290448&ct=146895#2 Plenty of sites making informed and reasoned comments about him - mostly in the vein of "Bray, that's the noise an Ass makes isn't it". From a muslim site "Imam Mahdi Bray Imam W. Mahdi Bray is a long time civil rights activist. He is currently Executive Director of the Muslim American Society, Freedom Foundation (MAS) and the President of the Coordinating Council of Muslim Organizations (CCMO). He also serves on the Board of Directors of the National Interfaith Committee for Worker Justice. He is a Washington, DC televison and radio talk show host and served as a major consultant and a political advisor to Bonner & Associates, Washington's largest grassroots lobbying firm, the National Center for Housing Management, Alexandria City Redevelopment & Housing Authority, Community Relations Department, The City of Norfolk, Virginia, Department of Community Improvement, and the Independent Voter League. He has also served as Political Advisor and Strategist to several national, state, and local political campaigns, and has served as a liaison between the President's White House Faith-Based Intiative Program and congressional affairs on behalf of the Muslim Community." http://www.mtholyoke.edu/org/umma/2nd%20_annual_conference/2nd_conference_speakers.htm Seems likely that what scares BD is not the risk of this guy provoking hatred, rather that he will be working with muslims to promote interfaith dialog, to promote more reasoned responses to middle east problems etc. R0bert Posted by R0bert, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 4:01:42 PM
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To answer the question.. "What should we be afraid of"? you actually demonstrated it for us all.
Those sugar coated words of his, (something he is reputed for) in themselves are not a problem EXCEPT as they provide camoflage for his 'other' activities such as organizing violent demonstrations and mocking the legal process when it impacts on extremist muslims.
Also.. as they camoflage his alleged connections with the Muslim brotherhood.
Make no mistake Pericles.. people don't normally come out with the ugly side of their agenda when trying to gather public support and sympathy for a political/religious cause.
For a bloke who sees a 'Mosely' behind ever green tree and under every verbal rock of mine.. it rather surprises me that you don't see dangers in a smooth silver tongued orator who has stirred up racial hatred of gigantic and life threatening proportions.. why P ?
K. Jim.. ur right.. we are "Aussies".. why should be be afraid... ( a tiny bit racist there :)
Sure, bring him here... but only so we can make a noise about his core beliefs. So we can point out how his 'smoothness' is just like a chat room paedophile 'grooming' his victims for the real crunch...
Lets point out the people in Australian prisons who are becoming Muslims...just like his 'prison ministry' is producing in the USA.. but what kind ?