Steven... good points. You are probably not so familiar with my long standing campaign against Islam, but it stems in part from the Catch the Fire court case, where FREE SPEECH was sacrificed on the alter of the(UN)Equal Opportunity Commision(VIC) and the Islamic Council's(Vic) predatory and conspiratory attack on the very thing we are speaking about.
It has so far cost the Christian community over $500,000 just to struggle our way though this legal mine field, only to find that a Judge is incapable of understanding the Christian mind-set, let alone the Muslim one which was the object of the 2 Dannies seminar.

While I make a fuss about Bray, I am really making a fuss about this law.

Hirsi Ali is most welcome, and Bray is also, but we have the Muslim community already rattling it's violent sabres, and speaking of hate, etc.. well.. ok 2 give, also ok to receive when it comes to their own speakers. The bottom line is, we MUST be free to criticize ANY religious figure and that includes the Lord Jesus Christ.

I take such serious issue with Islam because they are ready to resort to violence, murder and assassination which is TOTALLY in keeping with the traditions of early Islam and Mohammad himself "Who will RID me of this Ka'b bin Al Ashraf"? he whined.. Mohammed Muslama offer to take a HIT squad.. and sure enough they murdered Ka'b in the night.

If MOHAMMAD is ok with sending out hit squads against political enemies who are resting in their homes.. and he is called 'The Best of Mankind' this is serious cause to challenge Islamic values at every opportunity we have.

What was the difference between Mohammad murdering Ka'b and Pablo Escobar murdering drug trafficing competitors ? NONE.

PERICLES.. thank you for pulling me up on that point about 'stating as fact'.. I slipped on one sentence, I should have added there as I did in other places "reputed to" or 'Reported to'.
cheers

Boaz, are we making some progress here?

From your starting position of "Imam Mahdi Bray must never enter Australia" you have already mellowed to "Hirsi Ali is most welcome, and Bray is also"

Very soon we will have you at Tullamarine with a "Welcome Mahdi" banner.

I'm intrigued by some of your statements here.

>>[the] Judge is incapable of understanding the Christian mind-set, let alone the Muslim one which was the object of the 2 Dannies seminar<<

As I understand it, the sole responsibility of a judge is to apply the law as it stands. I am aware that some of them stretch this definition from time to time, but generally speaking the "letter of the law" approach is the one we have a right to expect.

It would be upsetting if it were to be a requirement for judges to be acquainted with all the various religions that they would come across in the course of their work - it would be a full time job just to keep up with the nuances and subtleties of them all.

And I couldn't help a chuckle at this one

>>"Who will RID me of this Ka'b bin Al Ashraf"? he whined.<<

... with its irresistible echoes of Henry II

"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"

Sounds like plagiarism to me. Who would have thought, him being king of England an' all?

LOL justaguy,

If free speech is to be meaningful then even someone you regard as "...a paid provocateur for the notorious American Enterprise Institute, which is a Likudnik "think tank" favoured and populated by hard core war mongering neoconservatives." is allowed her say.

That applies even if she is "an admitted perjurer with a worldview entirely inconsistent with the values of liberal democracy."

Nor does being liked by Rupert Murdoch does not disqualify Ali Hirsi from having her say

I say welcome to Mahdi Bray. Let us see what he has to say.

Recently, we allowed Prof Raphael Israeli (invited by AIJAC)to enter Australia and spread messages of hate against the Australian Muslim community AND essentially tried to influence the Australian government internal policies. I did not hear Boaz say anything then. Prof Israeli compared the term "moderate muslims" to "chaste prostitute". Refer to the ABC Religion report 21st Feb 2007.

Mahdi Bray has visited Australia before and his achiements in multi-faith dialogue is well recognized in the US.

I say educatation and dialogue instead of fear spreading and hate mongering.

I see Boazy's up to his usual tricks. While most of his confabulation has been well dealt with above, I'd like some evidence or corroboration for this little corker:

"This bloke is renowned for a 'quiet and humble eloquence' yet.. he stirs up rallies dedicated to slaughtering Jews.. (in the long run)"

Where and when has Bray advocated "slaughtering Jews", pray tell?

Do enlighten us, please Boazy.

stevenlmeyer, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 6:16:16 PM

I haven't said that she is not entitled to have her say, so your post is a strawman and really not worthy of further consideration.

Your mindset is though. In a thread which begins with some inaccurate hearsay and manufactured "evidence" designed to convince that a person should be barred from our country, you find my statement (which consists of relevant and independently verifiable facts) objectionable or laughable and defend the subject's right to speak here.

Could it be because one is antimuslim and one is muslim that you employ these double standards?

Personally, religion doesn't appeal to me. But I'm quite smitten with the notion of liberal democracy for myself and my offspring and I see the realization of that notion getting further and further away because of the preponderance of examples of double standards as displayed by the original writer and supporters such as yourself.

You're entitled to live your life the way you see fit, in my view. Shame you won't extend the same courtesy to me or, more particularly, Muslims.

If I was a Muslim I'd be much angrier than I am about the way the west is allowing its elites to continue killing my brethren for treasure. I'm pretty angry that this very act is stuffing up the global balance and the chance of peaceful coexistence for generations in the process of (further) enriching the already very wealthy.

I doubt that I'll be invited to the Bilderberg conferences, so what's in it for me?