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Gender Pay Gap ‘So Deeply Misleading’
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Posted by Suseonline, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 12:17:05 AM
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Cossomby, Suse,
I found being a bigot 24/7 to be a poor way to live. You're doing exactly what Mr Molyneux described, he asked us to imagine trying to give a talk on the needs of Native Americans based on the fact that he'd known an Indian who was an alchoholic, the audience would walk out. He also pointed out that if women really want men to change they hold all of the power to bring about such transformations. In our society women as a group are almost solely responsible for raising and educating boys, if adult men aren't "behaving" according to feminists then whose responsibility is that? See that's what Feminism is really all about, maintaining the subordination of society to the needs and wants of women, if women wanted change they could effect it in a generation by changing the way they raise boys. Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 6:34:16 AM
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.....I would suggest that most employers in these areas would not want to hire women anyway....
You've got that right Suze, because the crap a boss has to go through to accommodate women in their team, in remote work sites is the main reason why they don't get jobs at the same rate as men, although it's also fair to suggest many so called men are no longer men as they need all their nice little luxuries to perform their work. But, as I say you can not compare weekly wages as you have to compare hourly rates of pay if you want to gain a true figure. Any thing else is simply fudging the figures to suit. Posted by rehctub, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 8:49:11 AM
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Suseonline, "Nothing will change re women on boards or in leadership positions in companies or Governments etc, until men also work towards equal opportunity for the genders"
Why is it important to have women on every board but not as sewer plungers? That just proves that the educated middle class women who are feminism are solely concerned with advancing their own interests. Here is the result where such a woman who rode the feminist bandwagon was catapulted in as CEO of ABC Learning and was implicated in the catastrophic failure o that company, "Lesson 2: Good companies need good experienced directors and [feminist bandwagon riding] ex-politicians aren't necessarily the answer. Long time chairman, former Brisbane lord mayor, Sally Anne Atkinson, said her qualifications for the job included having lots of grandchildren. I'm sure you learn a lot about multi-billion dollar businesses when you're up to your elbows in nappies and playdoh! According to Sally her role as chairman involved half a day a week at the ABC Learning offices, visiting ABC child care centres unannounced and making some phone calls. Other company chairmen must be wondering why they're so slow at their job! Sally also had a poor memory. I lost count of the number of times she said, 'privilege, I can't recall' when asked questions about key events in ABC's Learning's demise. Alan Bond would have been proud!" http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-04-22/when-founders-flounder-lessons-from-mr-and-mrs/407744 Posted by onthebeach, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 10:50:46 AM
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Jay: "I found being a bigot 24/7 to be a poor way to live".
That's good to hear. So you're going to change the posts you write? (Sorry, couldn't resist!) Seriously though... Re "In our society women as a group are almost solely responsible for raising and educating boys". I assume you mean mothers are the predominant carers (or women at child care) of kids 0-5yrs and women are the predominant primary school teachers. But the influence of the world - predominantly men - outweighs this. Because children learn very early where the real power lies - with men, and boys emulate men regardless of what women try to do. I tried to ban toy guns at home - so my son picked up gun-shaped objects (eg a L-shaped piece of wood) and went bang-bang. On the other hand my son is an excellent cook, not because of his mother, but because his father and grandfathers were excellent cooks, and he helped them in the kitchen from infancy. He grew up in a family where cooking wasn't a male or a female role - cooking was something everyone did. That's what I want from feminism - for each person to have the opportunity to learn and enjoy human activities without labels. Feminism is NOT about maintaining the subordination of society to the needs and wants of women. It's about moving from a society subordinated to the needs and wants of men, to one of balance - subordinated to the needs and wants of people - fair play for all. Posted by Cossomby, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 2:00:42 PM
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cossomby,
So you concede that you have an inverted view of reality and still hold to concepts of "power" which were overturned in the 17th century? Nobody has "power" in 2014, at least not in the way Oliver Cromwell and Charles I understood it. With regard to gender roles they work in perfect harmony when coupled with the concept of virtue, virtuous men and virtuous women are by definition equals. A man should look for the same qualities in a woman as he does in men, hence virtue which is the expression of essential masculine qualities such as honesty, bravery, loyalty, prudence, sympathy, mercy, humility etc. The problem for Feminists, male and female is that through their actions and the spokespeople they endorse they've come to embody the exact opposite of virtue, you're seen as dishonest, disloyal,slothful and arrogant, all the traits virtuous men and women despise. Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 2:23:32 PM
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Nothing will change re women on boards or in leadership positions in companies or Governments etc, until men also work towards equal opportunity for the genders.
I will say again, surely these men,who are refusing to vote for even giving women a go at all, have wives and daughters who they would like to be as successful as them?
Surely not all of them are frightened of women in power?