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Gender Pay Gap ‘So Deeply Misleading’

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EDUCATION
Female Scholar: Gender Pay Gap ‘So Deeply Misleading’ It’s Almost an ‘Outright Falsehood’
Sep22,2014

American Enterprise Institute scholar Cristina Hoff Sommers claims there’s not much to know. She says women already earn equal pay for equal work when you look at the data the right way.

Sommers has long criticized elements of feminist thinking, and in a new Prager University video, she characterized the gender pay gap as a fallacy that gets undue attention.

“It is so deeply misleading as to border on outright falsehood,” she said of the claim that women earn 77 cents for every dollar a man makes doing the same work.

The 77 cent figure does not account for differences in occupations — when a woman chooses to be a pediatrician, for instance, instead of a higher-paid heart cardiologist — or the fact that, according to Sommers, full-time working women tend to put in fewer hours than men.

When you control for a host of important variables, Sommers contends, “most workplace pay gaps narrow to the point of vanishing.”

Sommers claims that women internalize a misguided feminist ideology at modern American universities, and that young women should acknowledge their historic levels of freedom and demand more rigorous thinking from feminism.

“Women who are plagued by workplace injustice or sexual violence will be best helped by truth and solid research — not by hysteria and hype,” she says, before advising that young women, ”Appreciate and make good use of the unprecedented freedom that you have.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/22/female-scholar-gender-pay-gap-so-deeply-misleading-its-almost-an-outright-falsehood/

Interesting video under 6 mins, see link.
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 28 September 2014 5:31:00 PM
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Meanwhile, here in Australia, we rely on official Australian Government statistics to find out the truth about gender pay gaps. And remember....Governments don't lie.

https://www.wgea.gov.au/.../2014-03-04-Gender_Pay_Gap_factsheet

"Among full-time employees:

18.0  The average weekly total cash earnings for those who had their pay set by individual agreement were substantially higher for men than women, resulting in a gender pay gap of 20.6%. 
The average weekly total cash earnings for those who had their pay set by collective agreement were also higher for men than women. 
The difference in full-time earnings was much smaller for those whose pay was set by award only, where women earned slightly more than men (Table 6).
This indicates that there is a more equal distribution of pay between women and men when pay is set by federal or state industrial authorities, than when it is set by agreements made collectively between employees and their employer or by individual agreement with the employer."
Posted by Suseonline, Sunday, 28 September 2014 7:42:26 PM
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suse,
Once again, I'll type slowly, men and women choose different occupations and where women choose to work alongside men they receive equal pay and conditions, a female truck driver on a mine site earns the same pay as a male.
The jobs that many women, even graduates choose are not well paid but they are heavily unionised, the public service, teaching, health care, media, retail etc.
If you weren't so prejudiced and you'd watched the videos from the other thread you'd understand why this seeming "gap" exists in Liberal Western societies and is slightly less apparent in the Third World.
Our society provides limitless opportunities for personal growth and it's as near to freedom as it's possible to be, as society has become more liberal over the last 40 years men and women have tended to revert to their innate, gendered behaviour patterns. Basically most women seek to be part of a large group of other women and work better in that situation. The most efficient unit for organising males is two to five man teams, men also tend to want to be left alone in complex,stressful situations whereas women feel better if there's someone at their side.
This is why a platoon of soldiers is made up of five man fire teams and why there are midfielders, attackers and defenders on men's sports teams.
Men and women are more different than they are the same and the physical differences don't stop at the neck, the two sexes want different things out of life because taken as groups they think and behave very differently.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 28 September 2014 9:11:37 PM
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No....JoM, you need to read the above statistics slowly.

It says that unless women work for a Government organisation, they DO earn less than their male counterparts for the SAME job, and the SAME hours.

How is that equal, regardless of any differences in the genders?
Posted by Suseonline, Sunday, 28 September 2014 9:46:53 PM
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Surely that tells you everything about pay rates Suse.

In government award situations, affirmative action has promoted many women way beyond their capacity, & pays them the same way.

In private enterprise women are offered the jobs they can handle successfully, & paid the value for those jobs.

I have employed quite a few women who were capable of handling positions considerably above where they were, but for family reasons, preferred to stay where they were. I have also had a couple who stepped back from senior positions, which required occasionally working late, as they valued family commitments higher than the pay cheque.

One of the main problem with government health & education system is too many women promoted to their 4Th or 5th level of incompetence to try to apply affirmative action, where most men stop being promoted after reaching their first or second level of incompetence.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 29 September 2014 12:05:23 AM
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Suse,
So my point is proven, unless there's formal equality in the terms of the contract and a structured hierarchy men and women tend to behave like men and women, when they're free to choose they take up occupations which suit them rather than the most lucrative or prestigious.
There's also the the question whether it's right to pay men and women equally in the first place, women are slower, weaker and less intelligent than men on average, why should they be paid the same?
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 29 September 2014 6:42:22 AM
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