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Self-responsibility?

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I'm with o sung wu on this one...

Existence is a daily exercise in 'risk management' and the best of our laws assist in minimising the risk though often at the cost of not minimising the management.

"What has happened to that old notion of self-responsibility?"

You mean, like the self-responsibility of not raping anyone and never putting youself in any situation where your lack of self-responsibility potentially puts you at risk of raping someone?

Sounds like a good idea... don't know how you hope to implement it, though.
Posted by WmTrevor, Sunday, 21 September 2014 1:12:38 PM
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Dear Bruce,

This isn't a question of whether you're "trendy"
enough or not. It's a question of why should
sexuality be something that is categorised in a
fixed way (determined by our genes). I find that
rather difficult to accept. We're after all in our
behaviour influenced by a variety of things
from our culture, our environment, our tastes,
our values, et cetera. We're more than
the sum of our genes. Humans sexual expression is a
variation among people as many other complex traits.

However, as I suggested to you earlier
doing a bit more research might help.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 21 September 2014 3:02:41 PM
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Foxy, I'm sorry you can't get your head around the idea of our genes predisposing us to certain behaviours or causing certain responses to particular stimuli, I wonder, do you accept that that happens with every other living creature on the planet?
Because that's what science has been saying for a long time.
Why are humans any different? Or are you, unbelievably, one of those who believe in the essentially angelic nature of humanity? That we are somehow better than, different to, every other creature?
Our self-awareness and intelligence is not unique, just more developed than others, in fact there's little to separate us from other primates other than language and mental complexity. Research has revealed that chimps even indulge in basic politics, have moods and use tools, recognise the pattern there?
If human males aren't rigged for visual sexual stimulation how do you explain the prevalence and history of pornography?
I would like to offer you a counter-suggestion, that you read more widely, include the hard sciences and authors you disagree with, add some depth to your knowledge and opinions.
WmTrevor:
The fact that some males some times commit rape is a fact, a woman's responsibility is to try to protect herself from this, by whatever means available. The man's responsibility is as you say, to NOT commit rape, but to say that this therefore means women can abrogate their own is nonsensical, it flies in the face of the facts.
Neither cancels the other, a woman behaving stupidly DOES still have the right to expect men to behave properly, but obviously if she bets her well-being on that fact then she's a fool by definition, pre-copralite HAPPENS.
Posted by G'dayBruce, Sunday, 21 September 2014 6:01:06 PM
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G'dayBruce, you do the vast majority of your fellow males no favour if you are suggesting that because they are 'naturally' hard-wired for 'visual sexual stimulation', they just can't possibly help from raping a woman if she dares to dress/behave in a way that excites him?

Are you for real?
If so, you are a sick man.

Rapes do not only occur against young 'visually stimulating' women.
Women of all ages and in all environments suffer this indignity from disgusting criminals.
What could possibly have 'stimulated' a young man to rape an elderly woman in her own home ? Obviously there is more than sex involved here.

As far as violence goes, just because, in some cases, a frightened woman does not put up a fight if a man holds her down and rapes her, does not mean she isn't being violated.
Anyone who doesn't understand that concept needs to take a look at their own humanity.
Rape remains a criminal offence no matter what the circumstances.
Posted by Suseonline, Sunday, 21 September 2014 7:19:14 PM
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Suseonline, "As far as violence goes, just because, in some cases, a frightened woman does not put up a fight if a man holds her down and rapes her, does not mean she isn't being violated"

You are being very unfair. G'dayBruce did not say that at all. In fact he was on the front foot to challenge the poster who wanted to roll back rape victims to the Dark Age. You should apologise to G'dayBruce and correct your attribution of the offensive comment (Poirot).
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 21 September 2014 8:09:25 PM
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Dear Bruce,

It's not a question of my getting my head around
things - it's what the scientific evidence says.
And that is that unlike the sexual
behaviour of most other animals human sexual
responses are not dictated by genes. Human sexual
behaviour and feelings are primarily learned
through the socialisation process and generally
conform to the prevailing norms of the society
concerned.

Do your research on this subject. The evidence
is available - and if you need help - go to a library
as I suggested to you earlier.

See you on another discussion. For me this one
has now run its cour
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 21 September 2014 8:46:13 PM
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