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Self-responsibility?

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Suse,

"Would you boys feel the same way about those raped men?"

Yes, if they dressed so as to be provocative to predatory homosexual men.
I would say that they had succeeded in what they had set out to do, the only difference is that they would not have had to spend as much money on dress.
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 20 September 2014 7:10:25 PM
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Dear Bruce,

Kinsey and Davis? It should have been quite clear
that they provided the early research that opened
the doors to further studies. I did point out
that sociologists, supposedly dedicated to
studying social behaviour regardless of the prejudices
and obstacles in the way, did not accept human
sexuality as a legitimate field of research until
after World War II.

It actually might be worth your time to go and do
some current research. That might help towards
dispelling some of your outmoded assumptions.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 20 September 2014 7:31:29 PM
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@Suseonline, Saturday, 20 September 2014 2:40:26 PM

Where did I say any of that? More lies.

@Foxy, Saturday, 20 September 2014 2:12:05 PM

Why fudge unless you know that your source is highly contested and questionable?

You have studiously refuse to use quotes and acknowledge the source of your mantra concerning men who rape, thge question from G'dayBruce refers ( G'dayBruce, Saturday, 20 September 2014 12:15:58 PM). Then again, perhaps you do not know yourself and are merely parroting the feminist mantras fom the previous Millenium and nearly forty years ago.

However since your memory seems to be continually failing you, allow me to remind you that the bollocks you quote came from a journalist who became an author, Susan Brownmiller. See here,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Against_Our_Will

and here,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Brownmiller

Let me help you out answering the further questions implied by G'dayBruse,

Q: Did Ms Brownmiller ever have any relevant professional expertise or qualifications?
A: No

and,

Q: Did Ms Brownmiller apply any rigor to her 'research' or ever survey the rapists for their motivation?
A: No. As a radical feminist Ms Brownmiller felt (?!) free to bring to her research her own intuition and opinion, for which she found supporting 'evidence' (but of course!).
Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 20 September 2014 9:45:26 PM
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cont'd ...

Dear Bruce,

It may help you to go to your regional or state
library and get a librarian to assist you.
There are quite a few scientific magazines that
have articles on the subject of human sexual
behaviour and whether this behaviour is
dictated by genes. There are also data bases that
can be accessed for these sort of searches.

I'm sure that you're familiar with magazines like -
American Scientist, Scientific American, New Scientist,
to name just a few. There are also magazines on
Genetics .

I hope this helps.

Cheers.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 20 September 2014 10:25:12 PM
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True, in a library G'dayBruce will easily find books by the real academics and real researchers, who immediately dismissed that theory (it is kind calling her rant a theory) by academically unqualified radical feminist, Ms Susan Brownmiller, whom Foxy relies upon for her claims about the motivation for rape, viz., that,

(quoting Foxy) "Rape is a crime of violence, not of passion. It is a ritual of power and humiliation. All the evidence indicates that the sexual aspect of rape is of secondary importance."

While most reputable researchers and academics will not usually criticise bumpf like Ms Brownmiller's theory for fear that doing so might unintentionally lend some credence to it, some such as Professor Camille Paglia did and their comments on it are easily found from the links I gave earlier. Here is an example,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Natural_History_of_Rape

Since Ms Brownmiller's theory was thoroughly debunked forty years ago, the credibility and motivation of feminists who continue to quote her theory as proven fact must be regarded as highly questionable indeed. Where they don't even quote her as their source but pretend it is from other credible sources, that is totally unprincipled and unethical.

Of course the feminist dinosaurs of the previous Millenium hope that a lie repeated often will be accepted as fact, and that the mob is easily led, being comprised of useful idiots. For many feminists, feminism and Marxism go hand in glove.
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 21 September 2014 10:10:10 AM
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otb,

Rape is certainly a violent act - and a sexual act.

It's both.

Why are you going to so much trouble to the negate the violent aspect of that crime.

It's impossible to rape someone without resorting to violence.
Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 21 September 2014 10:17:13 AM
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