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Foxy, here is the link to the 2012 election.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_general_election,_2012

Further down the page under the heading Campaign there is criticism
that Wilders got involved in an argument with the Prime Minister which
it appear had an effect. Also, I did not realise he is an EU skeptic
which might have affected his party.
Cheers
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 11:43:04 AM
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Foxy,

You said: "Freedom of religion means ALL religions"

Erroneous statement but I'm glad that you realize that you were wrong and admit it.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 11:50:06 AM
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Dear Bazz,

Thanks for the information.

I'm still a firm believer that we live in
a very lucky country and we're different
from the UK, and Europe because our
governments and our political and cultural
institutions have always had an institutional
framework that preserves tolerance and protects
order so that we can celebrate and enjoy
diversity in food, in music, in religion, in
language and culture. We could not do that of course
without the framework which guarantees the freedom
to enjoy diversity.

Of course unless we have a consensus of support about
how we form our legislatures and an agreement to
abide by its laws, none of us will be able to enjoy
our rights and liberties without being threatened by
others.

We have a compact to live under a democratic legislature and
obey the laws it makes. And in doing this the rights and
liberties of all are protected.

Terrorists and criminals, no matter
who they are - and those who support them
will be punished under our laws. The government has
asked us to stay calm and not give in to fear-mongering.
They have things under control. For that we can all be
grateful.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 4:11:40 PM
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Foxy,

You cherry-pick from Peter Costello. Here is some more of his speech,

<Terrorists and those who support them do not acknowledge the rights and liberties of others – the right to live without being maimed, the right to live without being bombed – and as such they forfeit the right to join in Australian citizenship.
The refusal to acknowledge the rule of law as laid down by democratic institutions also stabs at the heart of the Australian compact. The radical Muslim Cleric Ben Brika was asked in an interview on the 7.30 Report in August last year:-

“But don't you think Australian Muslims – Muslims living in Australia – also have a responsibility to adhere to Australian law?”
To which he answered:-
“This is a big problem. There are two laws – there is an Australian law and there is an Islamic law.”

No this is not a big problem. There is one law we are all expected to abide by. It is the law enacted by the Parliament under the Australian Constitution. If you can't accept that then you don't accept the fundamentals of what Australia is and what it stands for.

Our State is a secular State. As such it can protect the freedom of all religions for worship. Religion instructs its adherents on faith, morals and conscience. But there is not a separate stream of law derived from religious sources that competes with or supplants Australian law in governing our civil society. The source of our law is the democratically elected legislature.

There are countries that apply religious or sharia law – Saudi Arabia and Iran come to mind. If a person wants to live under sharia law these are countries where they might feel at ease. But not Australia.
And the citizenship pledge should be a big flashing warning sign to those who want to live under sharia law. A person who does not acknowledge the supremacy of civil law laid down by democratic processes cannot truthfully take the pledge of allegiance. As such they do not meet the pre-condition for citizenship.>
contd.
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 5:03:36 PM
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contd..

<Before entering a mosque visitors are asked to take off their shoes. This is a sign of respect. If you have a strong objection to walking in your socks don't enter the mosque. Before becoming an Australian you will be asked to subscribe to certain values. If you have strong objections to those values don't come to Australia.

We need to be very clear on these issues. There are some beliefs, some values, so core to the nature of our society that those who refuse to accept them refuse to accept the nature of our society.

If someone cannot honestly make the citizenship pledge, they cannot honestly take out citizenship. If they have taken it out already they should not be able to keep it where they have citizenship in some other country.
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 5:05:18 PM
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Foxy, I am afraid your thinking has become redundant.
It works with the religion of all others who have come previously.
We are now facing a different way of thinking.

As Geert Wilders wrote in his book Sentenced to Death, he has a death
fatwre (spelling) on him, the moslems have set out in their immigration
program the procedures to take as their percentage of numbers rise.

They are right on track here in Australia. They are further along in
the UK & France. In Marseille there are declared Sharia law areas and
the police are not allowed entry.
In the UK they are attempting to introduce sharia areas in parts of London.

Take heed,
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 5:22:56 PM
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