Continued.

Most of these disappeared into suburbia, fenced in by kids & mortgages, rarely if ever to be seen again.

Some of these reappeared about 20 years later, looking rather dazed. She had shot through, or chucked him out, & he was wondering where & why his youth had gone.

He had not been unhappy, plodding along in suburbia. He could look at pretty pictures of Ferraris in a mans car magazine, & still be reasonably content with his Holden. He didn't bother to dream of the impossible. She on the other hand was seduced by the make believe glamorous lifestyles of the rich & famous. She actually believed the hype, & did dream. Perhaps the fact that he had never been exciting didn't help.

She had hit the "is this all there is" hurdle. The dream that had promised fulfillment & eternal happiness, had not produced as it was supposed to, so now she was looking for the fireworks.

If we could just ban all those women's magazines, suburbia would be a happier place.

Cossomby -

It was called the Festival of Dangerous Ideas we already knew that before she opened her mouth. I think she was trying to convince herself that she was capable of having a dangerous idea and therefore worthy to be on the panel with women who had far better credentials than she did. None of the other women were so insecure about their position that they felt the need to preface their remarks in this way.

Nothing is ever said without their being some reason for saying it and when there appears to be no logical reason then we can only assume an illogical one such as trying to convince yourself of your own credentials when you are insecure about them.

Hi there FOXY, POIROT, SUSEONLINE, HASBEEN, ONTHEBEACH, YVONNE, & the many others who've been interested enough to contribute to this topic.

I do agree absolutely, sex is an important element between a married couple, and if you 'DO' claim to love and respect your partner, with that sex, comes a bucket load of mutual respect. Without respect, there's no intimacy and without intimacy, there's very little romance, without romance, there's no love.

Without love, You've a relationship, an alliance between a male and a female for the purpose of engaging in a corporeal act, with the predictable results (for a man at least), an orgasm... A tremendous release of tension ! And then what---> a coffee, a beer, or watch the footy ?

Much of what Ms Caro said, she'd apparently retracted in later interviews, but somehow I don't believe she has shifted away from her earlier remarks or her beliefs. There again I could be wrong ? However, what I can't understand, exactly what it is that these feminists have against men, seemingly all men ? I can accept there are some men, who're are lower than a reptile, in the way they treat women. Not only physical but some really appalling mental cruelty, occasioned against women. I think most people on this Forum are well aware of the very savage views I harbour against men, who hurt women !

But these feminists ladies who are seeking to continually 'wound' the reputations of the entire male gender, by making these inflammatory statements similar to those originally attributed to that of Ms Caro, really worry me. Why do they wish to drive an even bigger wedge between the two genders, than what already exists there now, I don't know, I really don't know nor do I understand ?

Jardine, I'm sure in your mind your comment is relevant.

Phanto, and why is it dreadful for a woman to draw attention to herself? Especially if she is part of a panel where everyone is voicing ideas? And anyway, judging by all the chatter everywhere, the 'horror' is not about her 'flagging' she was going to give a contrary opinion, but on the content of what she said. And if you read what many male commenters have to say on the matter, for many men sex and marriage is about the money.

Hasbeen, how is it possible to be living with someone, and presumably sleep in the same bed with someone, for years on end, and end up 'looking dazed' and 'wondering' when a marriage ends? You really believe that's possible or is someone just playing dumb? All is sweetness and light and she, because it must be the ungrateful woman, ups and leaves? Wow.

Sung, I'm not going to let you get away with your last paragraph. Feminism is not a philosophy against the male gender. It just is not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism is a general explanation. Feminists have fathers, sons, husbands, brothers, boy-friends and male friends. And no, they are not in a feminist's life and loved because they are homosexual or somehow lacking in 'manliness', they are just not afraid of articulate women, quite comfortable in their own skin and confident in their own abilities. Probably very like yourself.

o sung wu,

Sit back and enjoy a video or two by this woman,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9XDb0nxSO4

I sense that some of what she says will click with you as a thinking person with the necessary curiosity to learn what makes things tick.

Good afternoon to you YVONNE and ONTHEBEACH...

Thank you both for your references, which I've read YVONNE, and watched, ONTHEBEACH.

Your friend on her Video made some interesting observations, as well as some challenging comments I thought ONTHEBEACH. To review everything she said would prove to be an immense amount of work, therefore I'll step aside from it for the moment.

YVONNE...You stated in your last paragraph '...I'm not going to let you get away with your last paragraph...' ? Get away with what, precisely ? I would with respect, ask that you identify exactly what I should 'not' get away with please, YVONNE ? I haven't the remotest idea what you mean, with your reference to 'homosexuals' and 'lacking in manliness' might be ? Therefore I'd be most grateful if you'd clarify your remark or statement, if you will.