SR,

I have a reasonably thick hide, and your childish taunts are so pathetic as to make me laugh, especially as they are a sure sign that you (and others) realise that your justification for your thread has fallen in a heap. Rather than just admitting that the whole pretext for the thread is non existent you try and divert the thread into a mud flinging exercise.

The thread was based on your assertion that Abbott was a warmonger determined to unilaterally insert 3000 armed troops into the Ukraine, the subsequent assertion that Abbott is still a warmonger because of his offer to contribute troops to an international effort to secure the scene of a mass murder, is ludicrous especially since you have no idea of the context, the pre conditions or the negotiations surrounding the issue.

The opposition foreign minister Tanya Plibersek thinks Africa is a country, Bill Shorten has no idea of what is happening but supports it anyway, Christine Milne thinks calling people terrorists is hurtful to their feelings, and Brown eyed Bob thinks foreign relations is chatting to aliens.

SteeleRedux,

SM posts:

"I have a reasonably thick hide, and your childish taunts are so pathetic as to make me laugh...."

Lol!...that's the pot calling the kettle "childish".

Shadow Minister thinks this (repeated many times on another thread) is adult debate suitable for OLO discussion...

"Back handed Brandt,
Rip off Rhiannon,
Mendacious Milne,
Shifty Sarah HY,
Lying Ludlam,
Slippery Whish Wilson, and now
Pickpocket Parker.

A sorry rogues gallery of GREENS CORRUPTION."

Now there's a 5 year-old to contend with...we're shaking in our boots at his incisive commentary.

Dear Emperor Julian,

You can say whatever you like - the facts remain -
and NATO and others condemn the actions of Russia
in the Ukraine. The "referendums" to join up with
the invading state were taken AFTER the invasion.
It matters not that the soldiers of the invading
country removed insignia from their uniform. It does
not matter how farcically unbalanced the "referendum"
questions were, it does not matter how jubilantly
the crowds in the capital of the "Greater Russia"
greeted the "new era" of expansionism.

What does matter is that this breach of the
territorial integrity of another country has started
a new era. I shall keep repeating that we are
returning to the pre-World War II behaviour of some
nations.

It is a start of expansionism, ignoring all norms
of international treaties and agreements. It is too
easy to brush aside the events that are unfolding.
It is not wise to ignore the fire that has already
started as nobody can predict where it will end.

The jubilation in Berlin after the "Anschluss" of
Austria was very similar to those shown in Moscow.
Also, the jubilation of some in Vienna is not that
different from the jubilation of some in Crimea.
The "losers" of the "Anschluss" lost quietly as
have the Tatars of Crimea, who experienced the
persecution and deportations by the Soviets. The
Crimean Tatars "always" lived in Crimea, but only a few
survived the heavy hand of the Soviets.

When the PM of Great Britain returned from a meeting with
Hitler in which he had tacitly consented to the
occupation of Czechoslovakia for a "solemn" promise by
Hitler not to wage was in "our time." On return, he waived
a piece of paper, proclaiming in a quivering voice
"peace in our time."

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cont'd ...

Dear Emperor Julian,

It is time to reflect on the events that
took place before the outbreak of all-out war
to end all wars, World War II. Are we not at
the same state of mind of some leaders that were
spreading the hegemony of their countries,
at first by relatively peaceful means, then by
promises of peace in the near future, "the
peace in our time?" Are these not the lessons we
need to learn? We need to care about what is
happening in Ukraine.

Jubilation in Berlin after the "Anschluss" of
Austria was very similar to those shown in Moscow
as we can see from archival material. Also, the
jubilation of some in Vienna is not that different from
the jubilation of some in Crimea. The "losers" of the
"Anschluss" lost quietly as have the Tatars of Crimea,
who experienced the persecution and deportations by the
Soviets. The Crimean Tatars "always" lived in Crimea,
but only a few survived the heavy hand of the Soviets.

When the PM of Great Britain returned from a meeting with
Hitler in which he had tacitly consented to the
occupation of Czechoslovakia for a "solemn" promise by
Hitler not to wage war in "our time." On return, he waived
a piece of paper, proclaiming in a quiveryng voice "peace
in our time." Films of this have survived.

Susbstantial arsenal of nuclear weapons, including the
"delivery systems," were stationed in the Ukrainian
territory when the Soviet Union collapsed, and were under the
control of the newly emerged Ukraine.

"Western powers" were anxious to avoid proliferation of
nuclear weapons and wanted to destroy them. As Russia was
regarded as a reliable, big power, it was put to the
Ukrainians that they should surrender their nuclear weapons
to Russia to deal with the destruction.

This was regarded as a reduction of nuclear danger to all
"western powers." It did nothing to reduce the danger to
Ukraine, Ukraine was guaranteed its security in return for
their willingness to surrender peacefully their arsenal.

Yes, Ukraine did hand over their nuclear arsenal to Russia.

cont'd ...

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Dear Emperor Julian,

Have you seen the graphic TV re-broadcast of a TV program
in MOscow that reminded in threatening tone that
Russia "was the only power able to destroy New York and other
American cities, leaving behind only radio active ashes?"

It is worth noting that it was shown at the same time as the
invasion of Crimea by the Russian troops.

It is worth remembering that V. I. Lenin in his political
philosophy made it quite clear that law has but one
primary goal, "A law is a political measure, it is
politics." No Soviet authority or communist leader has
abandoned this concept. It has been applied in the
territories "liberated" by the Bolsheviks during the
October revolution, in the captive nations occupied by
the Red Army during World War II, and in the lands won
by military force or "wars of liberation" in Asia, Africa,
the Far East, and the Caribbean.

Fortunately for the world, despite all his posturing and saber rattling Abbott does not posses the capabilities to do anything significant. He is a bit like a lighter and slimmer version of Idi Amin, more huff and puff than anything else. Unlike that pair of super hero's Abbott admires, Ronald Reagan and George W Bush, they had their fingers on the trigger, the pair were a real danger!