Paul,

You are starting to behave like a troll.

Are you completely disconnected from reality, or do you just feel that the greens would be best represented by telling at least one outrageous lie a day? Australia is not supplying arms to the PKK.

How do you feel about Rhiannon and Bandt molesting small animals?

Shadow,definition;

In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response ...

I will agree many of my factual posts do upset some of the 'Usual Suspects', the inconvenient truth can hurt! That is not being a troll

I maintain Australia supplied arms to people in Iraq who Australia rightly labels terrorists'. I posted a link to show that the Australian government has designated the PKK and other Kurdish groups as terrorist, you may have missed that one so I'll post it again, just for you.


http://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/Listedterroristorganisations/Pages/KurdistanWorkersPartyPKK.aspx

note the link is a dot gov dot au

Now a link to show what Australia done. and again just for you I'll provide on from your favorite Murdoch gutter press 'The Australian'.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/raaf-delivers-weapons-to-kurds-battling-jihadists-in-iraq/story-fn59niix-1227045690825

Is Mise <<If the support for those opposed to IS/ISIS/whoever saves innocent lives then is it not justified?>> If you are referring to military support, then if it is oh so simple as that, then yes it would be the answer, no question. However I fail to see how arming one side is going to save lives, particularly if you pass them on to people who in themselves are about as crazy as the ones you oppose. At this point in time, by arming our "friends" they may well simply kill non combatants from the other side. The whole situation in Iraq and Syria is not a simple 'white hats' verses the 'black hats' or should I say 'keffiyehs'. I totally support humanitarian aid for all non combatants. Indeed, once again we are facing a humanitarian crises in the Middle East.
Western military and political intervention in the Middle East post WWII has been a complete failure. The Bush administration did not have either the intelligence after, or the foresight before hand, to deal appropriately with 9/11. I do not think the Obama Administration knows what to do also. The Middle East is important to the West because of its oil, unfortunately in out attempts to protect our interests there, we have made a complete cock-up.
We can blame ISIS, Al Qaeda, The Taliban, Assad and a host of others, all we like, but until we realise that our policy and actions are simply not working the situation can only get worse

Paul,
As the greens have said in the past "If it only saves one life".

Is Mise, can you demonstrate how it will save lives and not cost lives? I fail to see how arming the PKK and others, and make no mistake that is exactly where the arms will end up, will save lives. In fact, I would not be surprised if they didn't end up in the hands of the unintended ISIS.

To Paul1405:
To the ongoing disapproval of the US and EU colonialists and the yapping curs in Canberra, the PKK has been part of a long struggle for the self-determination of the Kurdish people from the various colonialist rulers in Turkey, Iraq and Iran.

To Foxy:
In 1945 the world was left with (among many others) three historic moral and cultural gains: Recognition of the criminality of armed aggression and genocide and recognition of the right of captive peoples to self-determination.

In the context of the Ukraine two of those gains are under attack and at centre stage politically: those relating to aggression and to the right of self-determination. The captive peoples stranded in the Ukraine are fighting for their right to self-determination. The Kiev coup regime is engaged in violent military aggression against them. Kosovo and Bosnia and East Timor all over again!

[#1] To weasel (v.i.): to equivocate or hedge. Describes an action, not a person. Foxy in pretending it’s a personal insult is continuing to equivocate, or to hedge or weasel. Last thing I’d do is insult Foxy who (unlike the usual suspects) doesn’t insult people (as in “take your meds”) but comes across as equivocating (weaseling) copiously.

Foxy’s cited reference to Serhy Yekelchyk and thence to Steven Higley’s review of Serhii Plokhy’s book and further (my own exploration) Stephen Jones’ description [#2] of the military sneak attack on South Ossetia by the war criminal Saakashvili (thwarted by the Russians) all give valuable information though from a colonialist rather than a human rights perspective. Jones’ account contains an ominous warning that forces determined to restore the prewar status quo are busting a gut to abolish the world commitment to the right of peoples to self-determination. On the colonialist side are throwbacks on this thread comfortable with denying this right for the captive nations stuck in the Ukraine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_referendum has a ongoing list of the many independence referenda made possible by the Allied victory over the Axis and the subsequent anti-colonialist struggles. The Wikipedia entry is under dispute by colonialist sympathisers.

#1: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/weasel
#2 http://origins.osu.edu/article/clash-caucasus-georgia-russia-and-fate-south-ossetia