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Trojan Horse

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"Suze is OUG".
Lol!
OUG would surely be most upset if he thought you believed that.

Runner would be upset too, because then he wouldn't be able to lump me in with his hated 'sisterhood'.....

Runner, are you then labelled as belonging to a 'misterhood'?
Or will we just simplify things and pop you in with your beloved holy Abbott, and label you as a misogynist?
Posted by Suseonline, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 12:30:24 AM
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It is easy to say" Go back to where you came from", but do not forget that British Muslims are actually born and educated here. They are in the unenviable position of trying to combine two different worlds. That is no easy. We do not want to change you lot but we would like to see our children getting balanced Islamic education along with National Curriculum. We would like our children to learn and be well versed in standard English to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. At the same time we would like our children to learn and be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village.Bilingualism is an asset but British schooling regards it as a problem.

We live in a shrunken world and millions of people are on the move; one of our biggest challenges is how we learn to live in proximity to difference – different skin colours, different beliefs and different way of life. According to a study by COMPASS, Muslims born and educated were given the impression of outsiders. The perception among Muslims is that they are unwelcome in Britain is undermining efforts to help them integrate into wider society.

It is often quoted by the Western media that Muslim schools ghettoizes the children, and even lead to their radicalisation if they are not integrated. There is no evidence that faith schools lead to a “ghettoized education system.

A report by the Institute for Community Cohesion found that native parents were deserting some schools after finding their children out numbered by pupils from ethnic minorities. Schools in parts of England are becoming increasingly segregated. The study focused on 13 local authorities. Many of the schools and colleges are segregated and this was generally worsening over recent years. This is RACISM because British society is the home of institutional racism.
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http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk
Posted by Iftikhar, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 1:21:05 AM
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None of 9/11 and 7/7 potential terrorists were ever educated in Muslim schools in UK or in Pakistan.It is absurd to believe that Muslim schools, Imams and Masajid teach Muslim children anti-Semitic, homophobic and anti-western views. It is dangerously deceptive and misleading to address text books and discuss them out of their historical, cultural and linguistic context.It is not wrong to teach children that anti-social behaviour, drinking, drugs, homosexuality, sex before marriage, teenage pregnancies and abortions are western values and Islam is against all such sins.

A true Muslim believes in Prophet Moses and the Prophet Jesus and without them one cannot be a Muslim. My suggestion is that in all state, independent and Christian based school special attention should be given to the teaching of Comparative Religion and Islam should be taught by qualified Muslim Teachers to make the children aware the closeness of Islam to Christianity and Judaism which will help them to think about Islam, as “A Pragmatic and Modern Way of Life,” during their life time.

Prince Charles, while visiting the first grant maintained Muslim school in north London, said that the pupils would be the future ambassadors of IslThe Muslim community has been passing through a phase of fourth Crusades. The battleground is the field of education, where the young generation will be educated properly with the Holly Quran in one hand and Sciences in other hand to serve the British society and the world at large. A true Muslim is a citizen of the world, which has become a small global village.But what about thousands of others, who attend state schools deemed to be "sink schools"? In education, there should be a choice and at present it is denied to the Muslim community. In the late 80s and early 90s, when I floated the idea of Muslim community schools, I was declared a "school hijacker" by an editorial in the Newham Recorder newspaper in east London. This clearly shows that the British media does not believe in choice and diversity in the field of education and has no respect for those who are different.
Posted by Iftikhar, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 1:38:48 AM
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It always warms my heart to hear a Muslim talk about choice, diversity and respect. After all, that is what Islam is all about.

Yes, lets let a Muslim teacher teach all children about Islam and its wonders --

and while we are at it, let an infidel lecture Muslim children (with proper references to Islamic documentation, of course) about 1. Mohammad's wars on his neighbors (you know... plunder, torture, murder, rape, burning crops, abuse of women, and enslavement of men women and children), 2. about Allah and his delight in barbaric torture, not to he mention the constant slander against those evil "lower than animal" non-Muslims, and, 3. of course, the eternal Quran, the most perfect book ever, which somehow Muslims just can figure out what it says and are always misinterpreting it (making them kill each other and us), at least according to so-called "moderate" Muslims. Also, we don't want Muslim children to be ignorant of the fact that the sun sets in a muddy field.

Great idea, right? I am sure that Muslim children would learn things they never hear from an Imam or you, and they would be required to look up the references themselves, just to make sure it isn't an infidel trick. This would be great for all people -- to be exposed to both sides of an issue.

After this, we could have a course in the wonders of contemporary islamic societies, and research how the values of Islam have made Muslim countries the most just, peaceful and prosperous.
Posted by kactuz, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 9:34:10 AM
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Okay I'm going way out on a limb, and I don't mean what I'm about to say from a racist point of view. For me, I don't care what colour or religion a person is but I do expect immigrants to learn the language, embrace and assimilate into our culture if they want to live here. Based on the European experience over the last few decades, and given we can still go down a different track if there is political will, I raise this question:

Will the end result of allowing uneducated, un-skilled, unwilling to assimilate, third world Muslim immigrants to permeate through our society/culture be the equivalent of introducing cane toads into our environment?
Posted by ConservativeHippie, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 11:35:43 AM
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Cane toads were brought in for a useful purpose, there's a difference.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 12:44:39 PM
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