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Muslim haters are so eager to uncover a plot. Well let me spoil the party - there isn't an Islamic plot to take over the schools. These schools were neglected by the government and the teachers hated the children and being there. They gave a minimal level of input. Finally, the community took the matter in their own hands and raised standards. Strange how one fake letter has drawn the Neo con wrath. The school system is designed to control young peoples minds,and turn them into useful tools for those doing the controlling,or did any of us really believe it was designed for education ?

So, a former head of MI6 says everything is being blown out of proportion regarding British jihadists, but the school inspectorate says it's a major, orchestrated problem. Who's right? These schools are the way forwards. They are within Islamic communities, they have rights.Nobody moans about Jewish schools which are run on strict Jewish lines.Or is that different?

The horse in question, it is alleged, contained Muslim extremism brought to state schools by stealth, by governor bodies launching subtle pincer movements, to remove the kind of pesky teachers who might object to the segregation of pupils by sex, or a refusal to stick to the syllabus. How incredibly extremist. Schools where segregation of pupils by sex occur. How different from boy's only Grammar schools and High schools for Girls that exist in predominately Conservative areas. And that exist predominately in the private school sector. It does though surely produce better exam results, as pupils are less influenced by the idea of 'girl's subjects' and 'boy's subjects', and are less likely to be distracted by sex. Allegations of an Islamic takeover plot of Birmingham schools are just the latest in a string of slurs against Muslims. It is not clear what is meant by an "Islamic plot takeover", and whether that is the same thing as saying or hinting that some Muslims might want to get some schools to adopt their particular version of Islamic religious values, behaviours and life-styles.
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Posted by Iftikhar, Sunday, 17 August 2014 2:57:00 AM
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...Nobody moans about Jewish schools which are run on strict Jewish lines.Or is that different?

Very different indeed.

One, they don't publicly degrade their women folk the way Muslims do, and Two, they don't promote the likes of beheading.

Do what they like in their country, but this is not their country to change, this is Australia. It's what it is, they can either accept it, or leave.

Now if my view is seen by you as racist, then I'm extremely proud to be a racist Aussie because my aim to to maintain our peace loving ways and as long as any person/group resects us for what we are, and contributes, I welcome them with open arms.
Posted by rehctub, Monday, 18 August 2014 9:25:47 AM
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I wonder how much of the initial Birmingham school problem was caused by indoctrination of pre-school children by their parents and their religious leaders. Every child in a public school's catchment area should be able to attend a school that has a standardised curriculum, relatively free of the teachers' own biases, and which is able to guarantee each child's freedom from victimisation by other students, by teachers and by people allowed into the school environment.

A child in a school should not be treated as a Christian child, or a Hindu child, or a Muslim child. Each child is a child who is there to be taught factual matters and taught how to look for evidence and how to analyse any evidence found or presented to him or her.

Any parent or citizen's role should be limited to contributions which assist the achievement of the goals stated in the previous paragraph and nothing else; certainly not anything that tries to establish that one child is superior because of his or her cultural or religious background.

When I went to school the primary school students were often seated according to evidenced ability. I hope that was so the teacher knew which students needed extra help. Luckily, except for grammar and Year-7 Algebra, I didn't need much extra help.
Posted by Foyle, Monday, 18 August 2014 10:57:48 AM
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'A child in a school should not be treated as a Christian child, or a Hindu child, or a Muslim child '

no I suppose Foyle they should be treated as a godless child bereft of any place to get morals from except their high priests like Singer and Dawkins. By the age of about ten they are indocrinated with enough godless dogmas and start to display the fruit. Anything goes eh! No wonder the private schools are full and growing.
Posted by runner, Monday, 18 August 2014 11:11:05 AM
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runner,
Kids don't get their morals from religious morons ? They get them from experience as they grow. Religion actually prevents them from becoming relistic enogh to develop morals.
Religion has no place in someone not of adult age when they can make up their own mind. Anything else is child abuse.
Posted by individual, Monday, 18 August 2014 1:52:10 PM
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Everything a child needs for life he/she has learned by the age of three. Education only teaches them the disciplines of employment.
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 18 August 2014 2:05:41 PM
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