Iftikhar,

As forecast in another thread, you are definitely in with a shot with the self-loathing Left, feminists, ardent atheists and political 'Progressives'. As some proof of that, the posters who usually rise in unison to stridently denounce Christian religion, religion in schools, school chaplains and so on are not here to criticise your proposals. Strange that is, NOT!

Although you would already know that and it should give you a measure of comfort.

For interest, I am not a religious person. It is freedom of speech that is most important to me and hence my concern.

Dear Iftikar,

Initially - I wasn't going to respond to this
discussion of yours because we've covered this
ground many times in the past. You've been
told by so many people, including Foyle in this
discussion, that if you want religious
instruction for Muslim children - it's up to
their parents to send the children to Muslim
schools. State schools do not provide the specialised
education that you are suggesting.

It is wise to remember that
what counts in education is attitudes expressed in skills.
The attitudes that count are known.
As one teacher put it:

"I already know what a child needs. I know it by heart.
He needs to be accepted, respected, liked, and trusted:
encouraged, supported, activated, and amused: able to
explore, experiment, and achieve. Damn it! He needs too
much. All I lack is Solomon's wisdom, Freud's insight,
Einstein's knowledge, and Florence Nightingale's
dedication."

In theory, we already know what good education is.
We have all the concepts. Unfortunately, one
cannot educate children on conceptions alone.
Children present problems which do not disappear,
even when the teacher believes in democracy, love,
respect, accepatance, individual differences, and
personal uniqueness.

Though magnificent, these concepts are too abstract
and too large. They're like a thousand-dollar bill -
good currency but uselss in meeting mundane needs
such as buying a cup of coffee, taking a cab, or
making a phone call.

For daily life - one needs coins. For classroom commerce,
teachers need psychological small change. They need
specific skills for dealing effectively and humanely
with minute-to-minute happenings - the small
irritations, the daily conflicts, the sudden crises.

All these situations call for helpful and realistic
reactions. A teacher's response has crucial consequences.
It affects the child's conduct and
character for better or for worse.

These are facts of emotional life. which make teaching and
learning possible or impossible.

If Muslim children are to survive successfully - they need
to go to State Schools - and get a broader education.
You should be more concerned about a broader perspective
for Muslim children than the one you are currently
pursuing.

'Kids don't get their morals from religious morons ? '

Individual

certainly appears you missed out on any sort of manners or the ability to think to much.

Foxy, "If Muslim children are to survive successfully - they need to go to State Schools - and get a broader education. You should be more concerned about a broader perspective for Muslim children than the one you are currently pursuing"

Yes, well put.

To my way of thinking it doesn't necessarily have to be State run schools however the curriculum should be the same with similar, adequate weighting.

Indigenous children have suffered disadvantage through not receiving the benefits including social interaction of normal ie mainstream schooling.

Iftikhar>>Nobody moans about Jewish schools which are run on strict Jewish lines.
Muslim haters are so eager to uncover a plot. Well let me spoil the party - there isn't an Islamic plot to take over the schools.<<

Let’s keep with the theme but broaden the base. The issue is that with twice the birth rate of the Anglo one third of the population of Birmingham is now Muslim, so you lot are now big enough to work towards expelling the remaining inhabitants and taking the public school system away is one way of excluding Anglo families from populating that district.

Ifti the Jews pay for their own schools..... you are talking about Birmingham public schools, why don’t you Muslims put your hands in your own pockets to fund Muslim only schools like the Jews?.....I have observed the more zealous a Muslim you are the less likely the chance of having a job..........procreation is no problem though given the birth rate of Muslims in Birmingham is double the Anglo’s.

Ifti I have never railed against a colour, nation, creed, or sexual persuasion, but I have made people hating Muslim zealots an exception.

certainly appears you missed out on any sort of manners or the ability to think to muchrunner,
Give us a break paleeze ! right now I have a bureaucrat trying to shaft several people big time & he is a churchie. Countless religious morons have been exposed as paedophiles, religious people brainwashed countless kids & ruined their lives. So what's your legacy ? Protecting those hypocritical mongrels ? A child is totally incapable of the concept of religion. All it knows is to fear something for no reason. As I said keep that child abuse that is religion away from kids until at adult age they can chose for themselves.
I put it to you that I can muster more manners & decency than you can ever imagine because I am not a hypocrite who preys on the vulnerable.