"Suse,

Do you believe that the ordinary law abiding citizen have a right to defend themselves against unlawful attack?
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 17 August 2014 10:48:42 PM"

Suse,

Care to answer the question?

"The Militarization of our Police forces."

was the heading of the OP; as I said the NSW Police has always been a para-military force,(as have been the other State police forces).

Bruce, what's your response to my posts shewing that your contention is wrong?

Accidentally posted this in the TV discussion first, in a hurry, my bad.

Sorry L.M., I just went back through and although you've made a couple of observations I can't see where you show I'm wrong.
Perhaps you'd care to elucidate?
Wrong about what, precisely?
It's not the colour in particular I'm objecting to, it's the para-military nature of the uniforms, and the mind-set that that engenders in both the police and the public at large.
I too have a friend who's a cop, and have known a couple of others, including the niece of a good mate, and I can confidently claim that NOT all police are in favour of the militarization of their job.
I don't even object to them carrying guns per se, it's those machine guns and attack-wagons I find unjustifiable and largely uncalled for HERE IN AUSTRALIA.
What sort of Democracy requires a Para-military to control it's population?
A False one, which Australia appears to be becoming, IMO.

G'dayBruce,

I gave the Holsworthy Barracks example earlier. It was real and hundreds could have died. Maybe you did not open the link but the terrorists have modern weapons and bombs. Political correctness deems that the Australian military are not allowed to protect themselves on their own bases. What use then are the private contractors with their revolvers?

Recently bikies surrounded and laid under siege the Southport police station on the Gold Coast making threats to police and their loved ones. Not a small police station by any means and they were taken seriously. They were responsible an affray and physical violence in a restaurant and before in an air terminal elsewhere.

Predictably when I related these and other examples of gang violence and murder referring to the Gold Coat alone and only taking very recent events, one of the long-term Leftist womyn posters on here made the stupid comparison with year 12 'schoolies' (school kids), claiming that the schoolchildren were comparable or worse. I wouldn't think you would be an apologist for Bikies and trivialise serious crime and defend vicious criminals in similar fashion. However I reckon you are underestimating the threats being dealt with by police.

Most interventions are never publicised although the idiot media has put the undercover operatives and intel at stake, sensationalism to gather an audience. The threats are there though and Australia has changed a hell of a lot from what it was before the 'diversity-we-are-obliged-to-have' and 'Big Australia' policies - neither of which has ever been sought or agreed to by the public. The Australian public have never been offered the opportunity to vote on any of that.
to be continued..

continued..

The media are clueless and a menace. Not so long ago a young woman journalist related her shock, disappointment and fear (well founded fear!) when she and her cameraman were unexpectedly(?!) threatened by bikie enforcers during a pre-arranged interview at the club. She was shocked that the 'boys who just want to be boys and ride their bikes' were exactly as described by police: sly, dangerous often unpredictable thugs, and that her good looks and feminine charm did not guarantee her the free passage and privileges she was used to. If they wanted to monster her, bugger her and her cameraman and dump them later they would have. The naive, foolish, idealistic journalist knew nothing, because like so many others she does not know what she does not know.

It is only selected police units, few police in all, who have any real training and proficiency that could save you and them when threatened. If the public really thought about that they might have some qualms. Just saying that the 'problem' is the opposite to what you think.

Bruce,

"Perhaps you'd care to elucidate?
Wrong about what, precisely?
It's not the colour in particular I'm objecting to, it's the para-military nature of the uniforms, and the mind-set that that engenders in both the police and the public at large."

The uniforms have always been military, that the majority of police uniforms have been blue is merely illustrative of the fact that the military uniforms on which they were patterned were often blue.

The NT Police wore khaki as did some other police, which was probably a cost saving measure as khaki cloth was plentiful, being the colour of Army uniforms.
The Slouch Hat of the Army and the Police hat in the NT are interchangeable.

Didn't you read my post on the fully automatic capable German MP 40 "Maschinenpistole" that were acquired by the NSW Police about 1946, and their very good sniper rifles that they had in the 1950s?

The rank structure and insignia of rank are either the same as that of the Army or are modeled on them.

As I asked earlier "What's changed?"