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The “moderate Muslim,” is there such a thing?
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Posted by R0bert, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 7:10:10 PM
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I suppose a Muslim can be just as moderate or fanatic as any negative gearing advocate. Christians too have their fanatics. If we don't want Muslims here then we have to give the decent ones the choice to denounce their religion & offer them the protection to do so.
Most aren't even religious, they're simply too scared to denounce their religion because they know what would happen if they did. So, the ball lies in court of our law people. Posted by individual, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 7:41:36 PM
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There's no such thing as 'radical' Islam and there are no "moderates".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akB852Bcv4c Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 7:56:56 PM
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Dear Runner. Why do you think I'm man hating? The men in my life are amazing. As are all the women. Son with a double degree working for BHP. Son as a combat engineer with the ADF. Daughter doing a double degree at UQ. Step daughter, with a degree in French, devout Christian, married to a wonderful young man with whom she spent 2 years serving her ministry overseas, step daughter doing a degree in Sydney. My husband, who is the most ethical, hard-working and kindest man I know. He is incredibly smart and very highly thought of in his profession.
This is not even mentioning brothers and brothers-in-law, uncles and my late Father-in-law. Who was a serving minister in the Church, as was his father, in his young years. My father, who passed away some years ago, is the person I most admire and was the most influential in shaping me to who I am. My mother never could contemplate finding someone else. We have a very large, wonderful family who ALL get on with each other and love one another. What about when I make a comment, you actually directly answer it. Would you accept your son or daughter marrying somebody who has different beliefs to yours? Posted by yvonne, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 8:24:54 PM
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These discussions have become a lot like eating McDonalds, all the appearance and nourishment of regurgitated bile but never a good idea to leave unattended as the stench only grows.
“A year ago I told my kids (2 of 3 are very liberal and think I am somewhat mad) that in 5 years Europe would explode because of racial and religious tensions.” Posted by kactuz, Thursday, 14 July 2005 12:43:38 PM Yup, you're mad. Dear SPQR, You wrote; “At least Steele is sneaky enough to offer paper thin slivers of criticism (of Islam) sandwiched between two extra thick layers of anti-West & Israel diatribe.” The last time I banged the drum over Saudi Arabia, about it exporting Wahhabism, about its terrible treatment of immigrant workers, of women, of its beheadings and its torture, there was not a peek from you. I called for the US to stop arming it with the latest high tech weaponry, for Australia to boycott it, to condemn it for funding Wahhabist schools in Indonesia for which the Gillard government spent a couple of hundred million dollars to combat (funding that has been withdrawn by the Abbott government to who knows what end), and you said nothing. When I highlighted the fact that the 9/11 terrorists mostly came from and funded by Saudi Arabia and that this should be the focus of the Western world's effort instead of invading and remotely bombing some of the poorest areas in the world you said nothing. You sir, along with others on this thread, drip and ooze a blinding, bullying hypocrisy that would shame Lance Armstrong. You pick on the most blighted of the Muslim world for their temerity in attempting to seek asylum in this country but don't have the balls to address the real issue, well funded religious extremism from a US ally. Cont... Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 9:16:52 PM
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Dear runner, How dare you. History tells us that Hitler had very little issue with Jews until a Christian Democrat got in his ear and poisoned him. It also tells of of a long tale of pogroms and wholesale slaughter and mass burnings against the Jewish people that has littered the Christian story for two millennia. To paraphrase yourself; 'runner's Christophilic nature keeps him in total denial of the history and nature of Christianity. Pathetic.'. You and your faith has so much blood of 'God's chosen people' on its hands I really don't like your chances of ever reaching your heaven. Dear onthebeach, Perhaps foolishly I will engage with you but my tolerance for your behaviour toward female posters here remains absolutely zero. Let us see how we go. You wrote; “Your red herring false analogy has you apparently admitting the defects of Islam as described in the OP.” No, I was talking about the defects of the zealots of the three faiths. Zealot: “a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals”. It originally referred to “a member of an ancient Jewish sect aiming at a world Jewish theocracy and resisting the Romans until AD 70.” Perhaps there is a case to be made that all things being equal the Muslim religion contains a greater percentage of zealots than the other two faiths but I have yet to see any evidence to support it. Dear Bazz, You wrote; “invasion by womb”. Now I have this vision of giant wombs striding their way over Europe with laser beams firing from extended ovaries aka 'The War of the Worlds'. http://youtu.be/EQdGMQrJSuI Sorry mate but you are as mad as kactuz. Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 9:18:24 PM
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A few points, from the article and I've seen similar elsewhere "Of the more than 300 American deaths from political violence and mass shootings since 9/11, only 33 have come at the hands of Muslim-Americans, according to the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security." The terrorism word complicates that picture but the 98.3% figure looks very unlikely in relation to american deaths. Possibly true for us if the recent plane shootdown is counted as an accident.
Its also very clear that muslims are by far the largest group killed by muslim terrorists. I'll leave aside the non-combatant muslims killed by western millitaries (drone strikes etc). War is messy and enemies rarely line up in straight rows in isolated fields wearing red uniforms these days but if drone strikes came to these shores and killed non-combatant members of my family I might find it a little difficult to consider it all for the good.
I have some deep concerns about muslim integration into the broader community especially where sub groups cluster together and share the teachings of a mosque that may seek to keep them isolated from the broader community for the sake of reinforcing religion. I don't see any credible and practical ways to achieve the sort of outcomes those most strongly opposed to muslim immigration want that would not massivly radicalise many of those already legally here. Make them feel even more threatened because of a shared religious identity and the problem gets made worse not better.
R0bert