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The “moderate Muslim,” is there such a thing?
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Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 5:19:33 PM
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Poirot,
<<My point is that it's not "just" Muslims who are capable of massacres and cruelties >> Who said *JUST Muslims* were capable of massacres & cruelties? Come-on cite your source? Or did you JUST make that up too? Posted by SPQR, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 6:04:36 PM
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I've been trying to get a handle on what terrorism is carried out by non-muslims.
Not yet found the world wide stats but the following is interesting in regard to the USA. I've come across variants of this material in a couple of sites http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/muslims-only-carried-out-2-5-percent-of-terrorist-attacks-on-u-s-soil-between-1970-and-2012.html I don't know the affiliations of the site so perhaps the data is badly distorted, a link to the FBI material referenced http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05#terror_05sum is included for anyone wanting to check that. More American materian but the following is interesting on the topic http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/americans-are-as-likely-to-be-killed-by-their-own-furniture-as-by-terrorism/258156/ Not sure about this author and I've only skimmed the article but others may find it interesting http://www.e-ir.info/2013/11/11/comparing-domestic-terrorist-threats-in-the-us-and-uk/ This one is an official UK governemnt review https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/335310/IndependentReviewTerrorismReport2014.pdf R0bert Posted by R0bert, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 6:35:43 PM
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Hi Robert,
Here's an important little footnote to your first link: "I agree, Mark Twain once wrote "there are lies, damn lies and statistics": The above analysis is quantitative and gives the same weight of an eco terrorist spray painting a building (destruction of property) to the 911 attacks. A qualitative analysis (eg. number of people killed in all terrorist attacks) suggests that 93.8% of all murders by terrorist attack were committed by Muslim terrorists between 1980 and 2005. As of 2007, the US Muslim population was 0.6%. Projected from 0.6% of the population to to committing 93.8% of the deaths suggest that Muslims are 156 times more likely to commit an act of terrorism where someone is killed. Most Americans have not read the Qur'an and applied tafsir... They are too lazy, ignorant and indifferent (don't know, don't care). The political correctness in America doesn't call attacks like the DC Sniper a terrorist attack - though he was retaliating for America's decision to invade Iraq. [Brettwashere nc runnerboy]" Posted by SPQR, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 6:51:16 PM
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Robert,
Your link states that "almost all" the Islamic terror plots in the U.S.A involved informants or undercover F.B.I or Police officers, this is true of "almost all" other terrorist plots as well. Pretty much every Anarchist, Black Power, White Power, Latino Power or any other fringe group who've tried to pull off an attack has been heavily infiltrated and guided by state agents. As for the assertion that 7% of terror attacks were down to Jewish extremists I find that hard to believe, I'm quite familiar with who's who in this area and I can't think of one Jewish terror attack on U.S soil. Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 7:03:12 PM
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SteeleRedux,>> Ultimately the equation seems to be give zealots of any of the three Abrahamic faiths access to weaponry and power and things go haywire quickly<<
Yes I agree SR, tis the nature of the collective that drives the individuals thought process.........in most cases. The outstanding modern example is the people of Germany from 1933 to 1945. Onthebeach>> There are newspaper reports of corruption and incompetence in the Australia's immigration department.<< OTB, not just corruption. The short lived Whitlam government implemented the Fabian approach to social engineering so as to take the homogeneity away from our culture. Key personnel implemented a “European free zone” policy and drew migrants from non European cultures....The Frazer government never corrected it. kactuz,>> The Quran teaches hate and violence: It is a book with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of verses by a brutal, sadistic god that slander and vilify nonmuslims, urging discrimination and violence against them.<< All true kactuz, but the Old Testament reads the same...............God’s people did some smiting and enslaving themselves. The new testament is a testament of love and forgiveness without the barbarity of the Koran and the OT.....so we have to stand against the current Muslim religion regardless of what the moderates say. Poirot>>"Have you bought your burqa yet?" is the cry of the boneheaded bigot whenever he encounters a woman with a brain who disagrees with him.<< ....but Poirot you will pull the sexist card rather than reply to Bazz. What of his original question re the implementation of Sharia law on first world women? Posted by sonofgloin, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 7:07:43 PM
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If you're serially dispossessed of your land - and herded into 40 km long ghetto - where you're embargoed, food and medicine limited, held prisoner - your freedom to come and go stopped - and your overlord even stops your govt employees from being salaried while deliberately undermining co-operative agreements - then you might get a bit tetchy.
My point is that it's not "just" Muslims who are capable of massacres and cruelties - as we saw recently.
Israel's massacre of Palestinian civilians is all but condoned by the West.