The link that IsMise posted (http://www.asgraphic.org/videos/video382/index.htm), including the video, starkly demonstrates just what this “religion of peace” being imported by successive Australian governments and prettified by Western apologists is really about. Foxy’s statement of principle at 11:25:06 AM does not, I believe duck any questions about what our laws should and do require of all citizens of Australia including Lakemba but Jayb seems to have slipped in a couple of extras:

1. “Are you saying that Australians should also respect the Radicals right as well?

2. “Do you think that these people, as I have suggested to Ifitikhar, would find an Islamic Country much more suitable to their feeling & would be better off moving there?”

I can’t presume to suggest what Foxy’s answer would or should be, but here is mine:

1. Depends on what the copout term “Radicals” means. If it means those who reject the foundation of individual liberty which makes Australia and other Western and a few Asian countries worth living in, we should at the very least stiffen our requirements for entry and re-entry into Australia so that enemies of liberty are excluded whether they are called “radicals” or not.

2. Depending on their agenda the likes of Ifitikhar may find an Islamic Country much more suitable to their feeling & may be better off moving there. If though, as I believe it is, their agenda is jihad through an enclave in the West, then they would be thwarted in their life mission by making such a change. A more relevant question may be whether we the free people of the secular West would be better off without Ifitikhar’s ilk: the answer is yes of course. Bring it on.

When we defend our selves they shout we are fundamentalists, terrorists, jihadists and savages. Protecting our honour has become anarchy and a savagery. They do all of this and want us to laugh with them. They take our resources and we are supposed to say “Yes sir, Yes sir!” They take our holy places and even if we carry one bullet they say ‘they are terrorists’ – if this is what they call terrorism then we are all “terrorists”.

None of 7/7 bombers and British Muslim youths who are in Syria and Iraq are the product of Muslim schools. They are the product of British schooling which is the home of institutional racism with chicken racist native teachers. It is absurd to believe that Muslim schools, Imams and Masajid teach Muslim children anti-Semitic, homophobic and anti-western views. It is dangerously deceptive and misleading to address text books and discuss them out of their historical, cultural and linguistic context.It is not wrong to teach children that anti-social behaviour, drinking, drugs, homosexuality, sex before marriage, teenage pregnancies and abortions are western values and Islam is against all such sins.

The British establishment is wrong in thinking that Imams are to blame for extremism. Imams are not solution to the problem for extremism. Extremism is nothing to do with Imams. Extremism is not created from abroad, it is coming from within. Britain fails to help Muslim communities feel part of British society. Race trouble is being predicted by the Daily Express, because of an ethnic boom in UK major cities. Muslim communities need imams for the solutions of their needs and demands in their own native languages. Muslim parents would like to see their children well versed in Standard English and to go for higher studies and research to serve humanity.

Terrorism and sexual grooming is nothing to do with Masajid, Imams and Muslim schools. Those Muslim youths who have been involved in terrorism and sexual grooming are the product of western education system which makes a man stupid, selfish and corrupt.

Your post sounds very desperate & anxious Ifitikhar. I do see a problem though with your claims though. You claim that the British are attacking moslems. Is that because they are refusing to see the light & convert to islam? & that is seen by moslems as an affront & an attack on islam. & As you claim, islam is being attacked & moslems have the right to defend themselves. Is that how you see the situation?

I can't see you answering these questions, You haven't answered the last lot of questions I asked you. Why is that?

I would hate to think that you would end up with a mental disorder, coping with the bad experience you are having in Britain. Would it not be better for you health to move to an islamic Country? A Country where people have the same Faith, Culture & Customs. A Country where you would feel at home & loved. I'm sure you would get they type of help & counselling to calm your worried brow. May I suggest Syria/Iraq. This area would be a great place for you to retire too, I'm sure.

See Graham, I can be polite & express good manners. ;-)

British public are very poorly educated regarding what Muslims believe in and why they live the life that they do. There are numerous benefits being a Muslim brings to one self. These benefits are not for this world but the world after you die.Too much of the discussions are about things like the burka and sharia law. What about all the good things that we believe in no alcohol, fasting for 1 month, no adultery , compulsory charity to the poor etc..I am not sure this is the right question. Who is a Muslim? What is a Muslim? Are Muslims that different from Christians or Jews? I think these are much better questions. I am not sure people understand what Islam is. It is hugely diverse and widely dispersed faith. There are so many ideologies and differences within that faith. So the question is how should we help people understand that. I do not think we should brand all Muslims after one extreme element. In my opinion those people are extreme mainly due to their societies rather than their faith just like many many extremist groups in the world. Islam has existed in many countries and cultures for thousands of years so why it is a problem now? Muslims adapt to Islam wherever they are, Britain doesn’t come into it except that Muslims practice their faith within the law of the country they live in. No country can force a Muslim to think in a particular way.

If there is any religion that is flexible and adaptable to the locality where it is being practiced, that would be Islam. Islam has been the main religion to so many cultures and nations across the world. I can see no conflict between the liberal values of Britain and the Islamic principles and values. Islam had brought about liberation to all human kind and in particular to women.The woman were allowed to vote in Islam well before this right was given to her in the modern world, the woman was allowed to inherit.

If there is any religion that is flexible and adaptable to the locality where it is being practiced, that would be Islam. Islam has been the main religion to so many cultures and nations across the world. I can see no conflict between the liberal values of Britain and the Islamic principles and values. Islam had brought about liberation to all human kind and in particular to women,
The woman were allowed to vote in Islam well before this right was given to her in the modern world, the woman was allowed to inherit as oppose to being an asset to be inherited in the family.
Islam supports and encourages art in all its forms and shapes, the art that refine the soul and better the human life.
The human being has seen no better liberation than that s/he was granted in Islam.
Liberation from greed
Liberation from brutality of the rulers and governors
Liberation from vices
Liberation from being ill treated or ill treating others
Liberation from racism
Liberation from sexism
Liberation from ageism
Liberation from class
All people are equal before God and the best in humans are those who observe God in their behaviour and everything they do and think.
Muslims believe in the holy bible, and in the Christian and Jewish creeds.
The Muslim God and the British God is one so lets them come to a common word.
IA

YOU haven't answered one question from anyone on this Forum.

Iffy: The human being has seen no better liberation than that s/he was granted in Islam.

Lets have a look at that in detail shall we.

Liberation from greed

See the Saudi Family, Assard Family, Sadam Hussain, King of Jordan, Gadaffi, shall I go on.

Liberation from brutality of the rulers and governors

See Iran, Mori in Egypt, Hussain, Gadafi, etc.

Liberation from vices

When on Holliday why do so many moslem men go to Thailand/Cambodia for the little boys, drink alcohol, Gamble, etc.

Liberation from being ill treated or ill treating others

Wow, Stoning, hanging from the yardarm, burning, shooting, burying alive, whipping, etc.

Liberation from racism
Liberation from sexism
Liberation from ageism
Liberation from class

I can see that by the way they treat & pay their workers, To build the Stadium, 4000 dead & the amount of maids that are mistreated & killed.

When are you leaving Britain?