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The “moderate Muslim,” is there such a thing?
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Posted by Jayb, Monday, 25 August 2014 5:24:00 PM
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"Political Correctness" has a precise meaning: assessing the correctness of a statement according to its concurrence with a political programme rather than its concurrence with truth.
"Moslem apologists" are fellow-travellers who persistently return to describing Islam in terms of its temporary (cf. abrogation) sugar coating while denying (by blandly ignoring) its essential core. The essential core, repeatedly stressed in the Koran and other Moslem holy texts, is jihad, perpetual war directed to forcing infidels worldwide to adopt the Moslem cult and obey its dictates. All this has been demonstrated again and again and again with comprehensive references to specifically named sections of the Moslem sacred texts. Regrettably the only material I have been able in a short time to lay hands on in a form which is readily cited on line is from Zionists with a racist agenda of their own to be hostile to Islam, but there is no scope for refutation of what they say about the Moslem religion and its adherents. Here are some: http://answering-islam.org/ (Christian site) Taqiyya: http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war (Zionist site) Abrogation: http://www.meforum.org/1754/peace-or-jihad-abrogation-in-islam (Zionist site) Koran and violence: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm (Zionist site) For a former Moslem untainted by racism who mercilessly takes Islam apart as an existential enemy of the Enlightenment, Google "Ibn Warraq". Or read his scholarly reasoning at http://www.newenglishreview.org/Ibn_Warraq/Islam,_Middle_East_and_Fascism/ . Posted by EmperorJulian, Monday, 25 August 2014 5:55:10 PM
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""Political Correctness" has a precise meaning: assessing the correctness of a statement according to its concurrence with a political programme rather than its concurrence with truth"
No, that may be the definition you prefer but it is not the common usage. See here,courtesy of Google, political correctness noun the avoidance of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against. Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 25 August 2014 6:17:52 PM
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EJ: "Political Correctness" has a precise meaning: assessing the correctness of a statement according to its concurrence with a political programme rather than its concurrence with truth.
An' I thought the definition was, " An attempt to pick a turd up by the clean end." Posted by Jayb, Monday, 25 August 2014 7:50:00 PM
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A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities. Muslim families are as entitled as any other religious group to schools that nurture their children's faith. Muslim pupils should be educated in Muslim schools because the current system is marginalising them. Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith. Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city's state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is "European and Christian".
Muslim schools provide an education in accordance with the Muslim beliefs and values, such as providing single-sex schooling after puberty. They are thus a response to the danger of absorption into the dominant culture. The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslims are not asking for any favour. I set up the first Muslim school in London in 1981 and now there are 170 Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. I would like to see each and every Muslim child in a state funded Muslim schools and I hope one day my dream would come true. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental period. You better teach your children in your own schools and let migrant communities teach their children according to their needs and demands.British Establishment and society should concentrate on the evils of their own society and stop trying to change the way of life of Muslims. Muslim community does not want to integrate with the British society, indulging in incivility, anti-social behaviour, drug and knife culture, binge drinking, teenage pregnancies and abortion. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. He/she is well versed in standard English, Arabic, Urdu and other community languages. Posted by Iftikhar, Monday, 25 August 2014 8:42:40 PM
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Iftikhar, you are doing the Muslim community in Australia no favours by suggesting we should have all Muslim children go to state funded Muslim-only schools.
We don't have state funded religious schools here as far as I know. If you want your kids to go to a Muslim only school then I suggest you build your own private ones. However, it would be considered racist in this country if you were to refuse entrance of non-Muslims to these schools. If you consider non-Muslim people in this country as so unsavory as to not allow your children to integrate with them, then why on earth would you want to live here? Australia is a largely secular country that does not allow religion to run our lives. It is a very tolerant country, and we have recently had Melbourne named as the most liveable city in the world, largely due to its successful integration of so many migrant groups. I would hate to see this secular multicultural success compromised in any way. Posted by Suseonline, Monday, 25 August 2014 9:13:35 PM
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You attack the West, its People & Values, & because the West refuses to convert to your ridiculously stupid Religion you say that the West is attacking you. Then you claim the right to defend yourselves. You said yourself that there are "No Moderate Moslems." Are you claiming the West is not allowed to defend itself from Islamic Terrorism?
Iftikhar: a speck of blood falls on the butchers white garment the sheep is considered to be a rude, disobedient sheep.
Where did you get that crap idea from, having grown up on a Slaughter Yard, I noticed no such thing. That's an old 6th. Century Islamic idea not a Western one.
Iftikhar: Protecting our honour has become anarchy and a savagery.
I'm sorry mate, there is no Honour in Islam. Is that why you murder your daughters when one of your friends rape her. To protect the family honour? Eh!
Iftikhar: All those who are making references to Islam with respect to honour killings I would just like to point out that it is not an Islamic issue. Honour killings have a cultural basis NOT RELIGIOUS!!
Strange when something wrong with Islam is pointed out, the problem becomes "Cultural" not "Religious." So what you are saying here is that Islam is 90% Cultural. Killing unbelievers & raped girls, Female Circumcision, Bag over the head, Men wearing dresses & Natural Stupidity are all Cultural. Not really a culture the West would want to adopt or a religion that says that everyone that resists being converted is attacking you so you have to kill them.
Sura's 8:12 & 4:95.