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The “moderate Muslim,” is there such a thing?

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Is there any question which religion the vast majority of terrorists ascribe to for the past 30 years? Is there any question which religion is producing significant numbers of radicalised extremists that pose a threat to innocent citizens all around the Western world? Is there any question which religion the person or group of people will belong to when the next terrible terrorist attack happens in NY, London or possibly Sydney?

If there are moderate Muslims why aren't they protesting in the streets? Why aren't the moderate Muslim countries sending troops to wipe out ISIS?
Posted by ConservativeHippie, Sunday, 24 August 2014 7:58:08 PM
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All Praise is due to Allah. I am so happy to know that the West is now more open to accept Islam, and Islam is actually the only way out of the deteriorating situation prevailing throughout the west and the world in general. Anti Islam propaganda in the Western media for the past 20 years, which accelerated after the 911, is having the opposite effect. Some educated people in the West mainly out of curiosity want to learn what Islam is about. When they approach their research with an open mind, probably most of them form positive impressions about Islam and some of whom rightfully convert. In the USA after the events of 911, conversions to Islam phenomenally increased mainly in amongst the educated white community and a large majority of them were females.

"I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion for from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." [G.B. Shaw, THE GENUINE ISLAM, Vol.
1, No. 81936.]
IA
http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk
Posted by Iftikhar, Sunday, 24 August 2014 9:31:06 PM
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@Iftikhar, Sunday, 24 August 2014 9:31:06 PM

Cobblers!

That would go against everything the man stood for.

Don't tell me, it was a 'report' of what he was alleged to have said, right? In Australia that is referred to as verballing.

Where did G B Shaw ever put his moniker to it?
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 24 August 2014 9:59:01 PM
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Foxy, read my post again. I said Dr Muderis was a good man and I also said that as a Muslim, his morals were suspect because Muslims have double standards --they will not condemn the hate in the Quran or the murder, rape and other evils perpetuated by Mohammad.

About my “bias and vitriol” against Islam – I know that you will find this unbelievable --Islam being a religion of peace-- but many years ago Muslims threatened me (yawn!) and then my family (ok, its war) when I made some simple and very provable statement about Mohammad’s wars . What kind of people would be so low, so repugnant to do this? Well, Muslims. So I got even, I read the Quran, most major collections of hadith and even Tabari (Uppth!), Hisham and Kathir.

You know, what is strange is that critics of Islam (me, others) make terrible accusations about Allah, the Quran and Mohammad, and people like you and Yvonne (Muslims?) never take issue with the sources. I would think that in a debate, certain people would say “prove it” and ask for references. I know that if I were promoting an ideology and some critic challenged me saying it taught hate or its founder was a rapist and slaver, I would demand proof. I would look up all references.

Muslims just prefer to ignore anything they find uncomfortable, or make excuses.

IMuslim immigration will bring blood and tears to the West. We already see jihadi groups forming in the West. We see “moderate” Muslims making the usual excuses.

I fault our leaders – political, academic, the media, liberal kumbayah religious figures for their blindness and deceit. The put their egos above truth and the public welfare when it comes to immigration.

Example: Aleisha Orr writes in The Age, telling us, once again, there is nothing Islamic about beheading. Well, nothing Islamic accept 2verses in the Quran telling the faithful to do it (“Strike their necks”). She goes on to tell us, again, that people just don’t understand Islam, how nice and peaceful it is.
http://www.theage.com.au/wa-news/there-is-nothing-islamic-about-a-beheading-muslims-v-extremists-20140821-106d1c.html
Posted by kactuz, Monday, 25 August 2014 12:15:59 AM
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The number of 'native' British women killed by their native British husbands in domestic violence absolutely swamps the number of 'honour killings'. But 'honour killings' in the Asian community is given all the attention. British families would give the same responses if you asked 'would you be tempted to take action if someone had raped your daughter?'. Thus 'proving' that most Brits approve of honour killings. Violence against women in one form or another is cross cultural. One only needs to look at the domestic violence statistics. And not to forget that domestic violence against men is quite common too, but not spoken off. This is yet another bash the Muslims article and then everyone wonders why the community feels so alienated. All those who are making references to Islam with respect to honour killings I would just like to point out that it is not an Islamic issue. Honour killings have a cultural basis NOT RELIGIOUS!!

Islam is about freedom and not compulsion, Q 2:256, "Let there be no compulsion in religion". We recognize that culture is deeply ingrained into each one of us, and a full Hijab wearing woman will not go cold turkey and quit wearing the Hijab the very next day. She will not be comfortable with it and none of us have the right to tell her to wear or quit wearing it. The change should come out of her own volition as it is a part of her cultural life. It is like forcing a vegetarian to eat meat or ordering a meat eating person to quit eating meat.

As Muslims we should be pro-choice based on Quran and Prophet's teaching, the prophet had said, if the husband compels her to believe (in matters of faith) other than what she believed, she does not have to obey him. Meaning a woman should have the freedom to wear full Hijab, partial Hijab or just the head covering or not wear the covering at all, but never forced. That is the genuine freedom, a critical value of Islam.
Posted by Iftikhar, Monday, 25 August 2014 1:10:42 AM
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Let’s ask Iftikhar, our knowledgeable, proud Muslim…

Iftikhar, please answer the following questions:

1. Is there anything in the Quran that may contribute to the discrimination against Non-Muslims that occurs so often today in Islamic societies -- or anything that so-called radicals can use to justify their violent actions?

2. What is your opinion about Mohammed’s wars? Will you condemn any of his actions?

That’s it! Two simple (compound) questions.

If Foxy or Yvonne want to jump in and answer, that is alright, too.
Posted by kactuz, Monday, 25 August 2014 1:28:14 AM
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