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The “moderate Muslim,” is there such a thing?
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Posted by Josephus, Sunday, 17 August 2014 3:53:27 PM
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People anywhere & of any background will put on a good show until their numbers are right for their real agenda.
Unfortunately, just like exploitation, Stupidity too can be an agenda. Posted by individual, Sunday, 17 August 2014 4:20:31 PM
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Dear SPQR,
One of the things about some Australians that has always amazed me is their inherent fear of migrants given that not much more than 200 years ago - this was a country which was essentially stolen from its original inhabitants. You accuse me of having a certain "mindset" and yet neglect to mention the prejudice yours displays. Still I don't blame you. Look at our current PM who based his re-election campaigns on those old favourite issues of the politically unenlightened: "illegal" immigrants or asylum seekers and refugees. As for the meaning of jihad. I've told you on the other discussion that Jihad as projected in the Koran is not ONE single concept. And people, expecially fanatics can interpret the meaning selectively. However, it's a range of activities based on the Arabic meaning of the word - "exerted effort." In the Koran its projected as exerting effort to change oneself. The most difficult jihad is the one of the soul - the biggest trouble is not with your enemy but with yourself. People can interpret teachings to suit them own agendas - as we well know. Talking about "mindsets" - we're each burdened with prejudice: I'm against - verbal abuse, nasty insinuation and downright mistruth, should the young and impressionable be exposed to propaganda deliberately designed to make them hate others? It is natural to develop our own set of prejudices. However, it is noble to rise above them. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 17 August 2014 5:03:08 PM
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Foxy,
<<One of the things about some Australians that has always amazed me is their inherent fear of migrants>> There’s your one-eyedness coming through again. What you should have said was people general have a fear /suspicion/ dislike of outsiders coming into their domain. To try and make it sound like a peculiar “Australians” characteristic is rather sneaky. <<As for the meaning of jihad I've told you on the other discussion that Jihad as projected in the Koran>> Number one, it aint from the Koran! A wrong attribution like that would have seen you called “a liar” by your erstwhile allies on that other thread . It turns out that it if from a hadith and a vary dicey one at that –all will be revealed when I am allowed to post << is not ONE single concept. And people, especially fanatics can interpret the meaning selectively. However…>> Number two, you are seeing things too much through Western secular eyes. Or the eyes of apologists who want to re-image Islam. I will tell what it's really like later --though I have no delusions that me tell you the truth will make you change your story --cant teach and old dog new tricks and all that--and speaking of such we have this from you << our current PM who based his re-election campaigns on those old favourite issues of the politically unenlightened: "illegal" immigrants or asylum seekers and refugees. >> There you go with your same old misinformation. We had shown you a dozen times that they are illegals but still you cling to that phony old, advocates line about about them being legal. Now having said all that –have a good night Cheers Posted by SPQR, Sunday, 17 August 2014 7:01:55 PM
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Dear SPQR,
We're not making any progress - I'm glad that you also noticed that. I see things from my own experiences, education, values, et cetera. You from yours. There are so many questions in life - one couldn't ever have all the answers. However, I want to live my life in such a way that when I get out of bed in the morning the devil says: "Ah, shyte, she's up!" You have a good night as well. PS:- Just to lighten things up a bit - Question: A bad place to fall asleep? Answer: Concrete. Cheers. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 17 August 2014 7:16:57 PM
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Dear SPQR,
The following link may be of interest: http://amf.net.au/library/uploads/files/Religion_Cultural_Diversity_Resource_Manual.pdf Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 17 August 2014 8:09:18 PM
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