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The “moderate Muslim,” is there such a thing?
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Sorry Piorot, but you have asked for it. You are becoming a joke. Might be best to quit while you are not ahead.
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 13 August 2014 12:30:45 PM
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Christians are not the problem - it's the religion they follow that's the problem"?
Well, no. Christanity ( modern day) does not condone beheading or the belittling of women to the best of my knowledge, so there's a huge difference. Posted by rehctub, Wednesday, 13 August 2014 12:46:24 PM
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A few replies….
SonofGloin. I had to Google your name. A good post – obviously a subject of concern and passion. SteeleRedux, whatever the sins of the other abrahamic religions, they pale in comparison to Islam, at least in our times. OntheBeach, oh yes, great novel – read it maybe 50 years ago Poirot – the men women and children of gaza would not be blown to smithereens if hamas didn’t hide behind them. The value of life in Islam is a poor second to killing others (Quran 9:111) What is this, we are on a literary roll… Kactuz, oh, that’s me, no comment. SPQR, I love roman history – at one time I could rattle off the names of most emperors between Julius and Constantine, but now I have little time and less inclination for idle pleasures including OLO. Just staying on the upper side of the grass is a chore. Hasbeen – I share your views on religion, all religions, some more than others. Bazz – Some fear and loathing is more than justified – when the issue is evil. Foxy - yes, blame evil on those who do it AND those that support it, directly or indirectly, actively and passively. The fanatics and radicals DO follow Islam’s teachings – they quote the Quran accurately, thankyouverymuch. JayB -- I, too, have asked Muslims about quranic verses and passages in the hadith, and the answers were not very encouraging. It is easier to get water out of a rock than to get a Muslim to condemn Mohammad, no matter the atrocities listed in their own histories. Steele, again. Good to see you do research. The trouble with us prophets is that we are usually wrong. I guess mini-riots, thousands of cars burned and “no go” areas in Europe don’t count as riots to the extent that I thought would happen, but it is just a matter of time. I don’t mind being wrong, in fact, because I am cynical and pessimistic by nature, it is nice to be wrong. Great to see so many old OLO users…. Posted by kactuz, Wednesday, 13 August 2014 12:55:37 PM
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The father with the son holding the head of an Iraqi Soldier was from the Lakemba Mosque in Sydney the same Mosque as Kayser Trad who is supposed to be Moderate. Where did this guy get his radicalization from?I would second guess that the head of the Iraqi soldier in the picture was also Islamic. ISIS is just a terrorist organisation that uses practices similar to Mohamed to enforce a Muslim State. Beheading of religious difference is not a new precedent of history for Islam.
Posted by Josephus, Wednesday, 13 August 2014 1:33:38 PM
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rehctub,
"Well, no. Christanity ( modern day) does not condone beheading or the belittling of women to the best of my knowledge, so there's a huge difference." You still don't get it. If you are going to identify and classify people according to their religion, whether it be Muslims, Jews or Christians...how can you say it's not them - but their religion. By definition you are amalgamating the people and their religion into one entity. In the one breath you are claiming that entity is not the problem - then in the next you are saying it is. Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 13 August 2014 1:43:21 PM
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Following on from Kactuz, it is worth looking at the basically PC word "Muslim" for Moslem. A good reason for choosing the correct term Moslem is spelled out by the American Center for Nonproliferation Studies [1]:
"Moslem and Muslim are basically two different spellings for the same word. But the seemingly arbitrary choice of spellings is a sensitive subject for many followers of Islam. Whereas for most English speakers, the two words are synonymous in meaning, the Arabic roots of the two words are very different. A Muslim in Arabic means 'one who gives himself to God,' and is by definition, someone who adheres to Islam. By contrast, a Moslem in Arabic means 'one who is evil and unjust' when the word is pronounced, as it is in English, Mozlem with a z." The reason for favouring the choice of "Moslem" with the above meaning will be canvassed in a further post (below) on taqiyya and the core vs sugar coating dichotomy. [1] http://hnn.us/article/524 (also read the comments) Posted by EmperorJulian, Wednesday, 13 August 2014 1:51:06 PM
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