If you'd all watched the video I posted you'd understand the issue, heck it's not as if there's not enough material available in English these days.
In 2014 the difference between "radical" and "moderate" Islam is about the same as the difference in the practices of Methodists and Catholics or the difference between Hillsong and Catch The Fire...ie practically none.
In Islam nothing can contradict the Koran, it's not open to interpretation, the Prophet's motives and his actions were examined and all disputes on the matter settled by the people who'd known him personally and fought at his side.
ISIL are the "real" Muslims as far as we are concerned, the people who disagree with them or "go along to get along" with the Abbott government should not be taken seriously.
Now come on Lefties, are Muslims who co-operate with the coalition government good guys or are they just as cynical and corrupt as Abbott and co? Abbott takes his orders from the ECAJ, the sole purpose of the Australian government is to support Israel so how could an honest Muslim possibly ally themselves with his government?
More to the point any Muslim who would co-operate with Labor or the Greens is clearly an apostate and has no business speaking on behalf of Islam.

A person can be hyper-religious without being a problem to herself or others.

That the person might criticise the morals of the broader community is inconvenient at times. In her austere and rigid belief there can be inconvenient awakenings for us, areas where we prefer not to think about it. Because there are ethical deficiencies and complexities we would prefer to avoid thinking about. We don't like being reminded either. That is cowardly of us and we may criticise and turn on the religious adherent in defence.

Abortion offers examples where we the main population might prefer not to think about it or even suggest any investigation, where (say) the number of abortions far exceeds what was predicted, or where there is an unexpected spike in a sector where we might have predicted fewer. Many prefer simplicity(sic), and life's complexities and grey areas hurt their brain.

There are religions and even branches of religions that are known to harm adherents and maybe even the broader population. We would usually refer to them as cults. As well, there are beliefs that are not usually described as religions that are cults too.

Considering Australia's democratic traditions, culture and traditions, is Islam counter-, revolutionary and possibly terrorist? Does the creed seek to overthrow Australian values? Should Islam be treated any differently from religions that are already regarded as cults, or at least negative influences, in Australia? It isn't sufficient to declare that a religion is for 'love' and 'peace', where the care owed to the teachings is to be separate from the community or to kill.

It is incontrovertible that Islam is home for many hyper-religious.

Hyper-religious + toxic religion = problems sometime.

Should Islam be regarded as a toxic religion deserving cult status in western democracies? False teachings or the brand itself?

In the interests of discussion..

It is very easy, like getting soused on a quart of Glen Fiddich, to find calls to kill the opposition in the Koran, but where are there like calls in Christianity?

In the "interests of discussion," the following
link even though an old one - is worth a read,
as its still relevant today:

http://www.uniya.org/talks/saeed_jss03.html

Dear SPQR,

Google is your friend and does a great job on past OLO posts. Many of those re Saudi Arabia were done under csteele. Go for it.

Dear Kacutz;

You wrote; “SteeleRedux, whatever the sins of the other abrahamic religions, they pale in comparison to Islam, at least in our times.”

Tell me is WW2 included in the term our times? Is the rape camps and genocide committed by the Christian Serbs included. Is the calls for slaughter from the pulpits of what is widely regarded as the most Christianised nations Rwanda included? Or what about what is currently underway in the Central African Republic?

Quote

“The macabre scene in an area known as PK5 has become almost commonplace in Bangui, the humid and decaying capital of the Central African Republic (CAR), where Muslims are under siege. It has also been played out in towns and villages in the west of the country, redrawing the demographic map.

Muslims came here to trade in the early 19th century and made up 15% of the CAR's population a year ago, but since then untold thousands have been killed or displaced or have fled to neighbouring countries. The UN said last week that while 130,000 to 145,000 Muslims normally lived in the capital, Bangui, the population had been reduced to around 10,000 in December and now stood at just 900.
Amnesty International has called it "ethnic cleansing" and warned of a "Muslim exodus of historic proportions".

As Africa prepares to mark next month's 20th anniversaries of the Rwandan genocide and the end of South African apartheid, what is happening in this long-neglected state is a reminder that forgiveness and reconciliation are easy words but hewn from rock over generations. Christian militias freely admit that theirs is an exercise in vengeance, an eye for an eye, and they will not stop until they have "cleaned" the country of Muslims. On Monday, UN human rights investigators in CAR announced they would investigate reports of genocide.

End quote.

The Guardian

You tell me what period you would like to discuss.

Josephus I've got the impression that Lakemba Mosque is at the heart of anti-western attitudes amongst muslims in Australia.

Those involved in the attacks on Skips in the lead up to the Cronulla riot appear to have been associated with it. Hilali was as far as I'm aware based there (http://www.abc.net.au/sundayprofile/stories/s1868267.htm for an ABC take on some of his stuff).

The original disappeared a long time ago but while it was still on line on an Australian Islamic site I posted a quote and reference on OLO to a speech by Keyser Trad in which he said something like "The criminal dregs of white society colonised this country and...the descendents of these criminal dregs tell us that they are better than us." (something like being I can't be sure they were the exact words but close enough to use the quote from Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keysar_Trad#cite_note-5

Not sure I want to say more on my views on Trad because of the legal risks.

I've had female friends who have copped harassment from groups of men with what appears to them to be a Lebanese appearance but locally joggers have been hassled by anglo looking guys as well.

R0bert