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Posted by JayI23, Friday, 8 August 2014 8:15:44 PM
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Ludwig,
Below is the first I heard of the story. There has been other related articles. Those talking about overstayers and illegals are off thread. Seeing it is about migration, I thought you might be interested. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/terror-touches-down-visa-fraud-migration-crime-rampant-immigration-department-files-reveal-20140806-3d8wj.html Posted by Banjo, Friday, 8 August 2014 10:29:38 PM
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Jay of Melbourne, I think what you are complaining about is capitalism at work. What all the right wing conservatives love. You know, let the market decide what something is worth. The Gina Rhineharts are the first ones to complain Australians want too much money. She famously once observed that people from Africa would be happy with $2.00 per hour. She doesn't care about whether people earn a livable wage. She cares about profits. She loves 457 visas.
It has nothing to do with immigrants. Everyone wants a sustainable income. Even Chinese people. But you know, something is better than nothing. This current government is ideologically committed to following the USA model. It is going to get much worse. Posted by yvonne, Friday, 8 August 2014 10:32:29 PM
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Yvonne,
There's a difference between migrant workers and settlers, a settler has the same expenses as a native, he can't live on $50 a day and he likewise can't compete with people who sleep rough on site or with ten other guys in a two bedroom flat. Ask a settled immigrant about the Chinese and Indian "students", it's actually the entry level jobs which used to go "new Australians" which have seen the sharpest decline in wages and conditions, the Taxi driving, courier, cleaning and labouring jobs are literally not worth doing if you have to compete with people who pay no tax or with companies who underpay. This isn't a free market and few high profile "capitalists" are profiting from illegal workers because they're bound by all the same government rules and regulations as everyone else, it's the dodgy low end operators and gangsters who make the money. Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 8 August 2014 10:44:26 PM
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Yvonne,
If my memory serves me right, it was Keating that introduced detention of the illegal arrivals. So you are right. Pauline took up the issue because she recognised that Aussies do not like gate crashers imposing themselves on us. Howard kept imposing tougher measures until they worked and the boats stopped coming. Both Rudd and Gillard both said they would stop the boats but did all they could to encourage them. Now the LNP has stopped the boats and the advocates don't like it one bit. Morrison is doing a terrific job and none have drowned thus far. Ludwig, Seems only the Fairfax press has the story at this point about substantial migration fraud. I expect more to come out yet. The smh has it all. Morrison has called for a report from DIAC and is careful not to say too much until he knows more. So far the press info is about 2008 to 2012 so is in Labor era. Posted by Banjo, Friday, 8 August 2014 11:05:26 PM
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Banjo,
"Morrison is doing a terrific job and none have drowned thus far." How would you/we know what has "gone down"? You know nothing of the sort. Just like you didn't know that Morrison had his henchman take 9 of the 157 and try to teach them to pilot his orange pods all the bloody way to India. It didn't come about because it wasn't a credible possibility...something that didn't occur to dipstick psycho Morrison until the last minute with the High Court breathing down his neck. So if he'd succeeded in dumping families in life boats and setting them on course to India - and they'd died.. What would that make him? And no doubt some here would approve of that outcome - all the while bleating their bulldust line that they roolly roolly care about deaths at sea. Posted by Poirot, Friday, 8 August 2014 11:20:23 PM
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