Butch,
I am no real fan of Abbott but Shorten has just given the LNP the next election. The LNP won the last election on two big issues.
1. Stopping the boats.
2. Repeal of the carbon Tax.

Hard to believe that Shorten now comes out and states that Labor will reintroduce a carbon tax when they gain government. Good lord, the government just won an election on this very issue. The people have spoken!

What does Labor not understand from their loss last time?

It is all very fine for some posters here to have a religious bent about human induced climate change, but the fact is there is no proof of AGW and the wheels have fallen off the AGW wagon. People no longer believe that it is human induced and that something has to be done.

The lack of belief by most people is simply because there has been no warming for 17 years and because of exaggerated claims and predictions by the warmists. The warmists have been proven wrong.

Does Labor and Shorten really believe voters are going to see the need to vote for a another tax next election? I don't think so

Banjo, it seems you are making the same mistake as many here on OLO.

i.e.

Not understanding the difference between a "Tax," (which it wasn't),

A "carbon price" (which it was),

or even an ETS, where countries like China, USA, NZ and many others are heading towards.

Banjo, can you prove 'the sun will rise tomorrow'? (tip: not even scientists can prove that).

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Lester
I was a 'small L' Liberal voter (centre right)
Now I'm a 'small L' Labor voter (centre left)
Ergo: a swinging voter

IOW:
there are so many nutters out there that think this 'debate' is all about left/right, science/religion, right/wrong, black/white, up/down, in/out, etc - it's not.

Guess what, the issues are too serious to leave it up to political extremists, the likes of which Abbott, the T-partyesque, the uninformed or uneducated (intentionally or not) so vehemently display.

By the way, Banjo.

Warming has not ceased, most of it is now going into the oceans.

This exacerbates extreme weather events, some regions more than others are experiencing that - have you would noticed?

Ocean/atmospheric/terrestrial biosphere physics 101.

DavidK,
You can call it what you like, it is still a tax and the consumers end up paying. We would simply be penalising ourselves. Haven't heard much about Europe's ETS for quite a while and it was not going too good. Gillard's plan was to give most of the money raised to other countries, so no benefit to us.

What you warmists don't understand is that there are some things humans have no influence over, like the tides, continental drift, earthquakes, volcanos and more. World climate is another, mother nature controls that. AGW is a religion now to a few gullible fools who believe without proof.

Warmists have come up with this crap about the ocean now absorbing the warmth. When did that start to happen? Warming and cooling has been around for a while, but you blokes come up with a new theory.

I am sure Tim and big Al will let us know if and when AGW is proven and in the meantime we should just carry on.

Shorten is a dill if he thinks he can win an election while advocating a carbon tax.

Careful there DavidK, your arrogance is showing.

You talk of the "uninformed or uneducated", obviously considering yourself one of the educated.

What you show with this is that rather than educated, you were merely indoctrinated, & accept all your indoctrinators tell you.

Some of us rejected that indoctrination, started thinking for ourselves, & saw the flaws in what our would be betters were telling us, & found the impossibility of the whole theory.

Perhaps you too will grow up some day, & see the scam for what it is

Banjo
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“Warmists have come up with this crap about the ocean now absorbing the warmth. When did that start to happen? Warming and cooling has been around for a while, but you blokes come up with a new theory.”

At least since 1970

The ocean covers 70% of the world’s surface, it is on average 4 kilometers deep, and has a much higher heat capacity than air. This means it can absorb larger amounts of heat with only a small increase in temperature. Sunlight heats the surface water, but over time this mixes with deeper water which is much colder. It also means that while the ocean is heating we don’t necessarily see any changes in surface temperatures for a number of years. It is the best indicator of whether climate change is happening.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/05/ocean-heat-content-increases-update/