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Is the handing over of asylum seekers at sea to the military of Sri Lanka a criminal act?
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Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 12 July 2014 5:34:13 PM
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Banjo,
"As well, you might like to consider on what basis do our immigration officials detain those without a valid visa. If they enter legally, how come we can detain them? The fact is they are breaking our laws and that is the sole reason we detain them. We do not detain persons who enter legally."' http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-06/morrison-correct-illegal-entry-people/4935372 "Mr Morrison correctly states that Article 31 includes the term "illegal entry". It is used in the context of stating that parties to the convention cannot penalise refugees as a result of their "illegal entry or presence" as long as they present to authorities "without delay" and "show good cause for their illegal entry or presence"." "Irrespective of these sections, it is not a criminal offence under the Act to arrive in Australia without a visa. The description of foreigners previously as illegal and currently as unlawful in the Migration Act does not mean they have broken the law. It is a description of their entry status and determines the way authorities process them." So Banjo, it appears they can be referred to as "illegal entrants" but only to determine their status - and not because they have broken the law...because according to Act, they haven't. Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 12 July 2014 6:06:43 PM
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Dear Shadow Ministers,
You seem somewhat confused Sir. However to set the record straight for you. These people are not "immigrants." They are asylum seekers. There is a vast difference between the two. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 12 July 2014 6:12:02 PM
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Foxy the definition of an immigrant is:
"A person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another." Please refer to your dictionary (if you have one) to check before posting something that is clearly wrong. Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 12 July 2014 6:24:37 PM
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These people are not "immigrants."
They are asylum seekers. There is a vast difference between the two. Foxy, Please stop using Goebel's tactics. Posted by individual, Saturday, 12 July 2014 6:31:00 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,
I've got several dictionaries and am quite aware of the definition of an immigrant - hence my previous correction of your invalid statement about "illegal immigrants." An asylum seeker is not an immigrant. And that's the point being made. An asylum seeker is a person who, from fear of persecution - for reasons of race, religion, social group, or political opinion has crossed an international frontier into a country in which he or she hopes to be granted refugee status. And I repeat there is a vast difference between an immigrant and an asylum seeker. But then you know that - only you choose to keep parroting on with your Party's misinformation. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 12 July 2014 6:48:11 PM
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You are right, by changing the way people are referred to is pure propaganda, which is exactly what the greens and left whingers are trying to do. The term used for decades was illegal immigrants. Now the whingers are trying to push the "appropriate" term as being unlawful entrants. That is the gold standard in spin.
If you wanted to replace the words with synonyms that we consider more appropriate we could get:
Crooked invaders,
felonious alien,
prohibited intruder, etc.