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The Forum > General Discussion > Is the handing over of asylum seekers at sea to the military of Sri Lanka a criminal act?

Is the handing over of asylum seekers at sea to the military of Sri Lanka a criminal act?

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Poirot,
And now please tell us what that number of unskilled people translates into actual Dollar cost for each australian taxpayer. Of course you'd need to calculate their immediate descendents into that cost as well because we have evidence that they too are hanging off our aprons for some years.
Also please provide figures on how much this takes away from pensions for people who have paid all their working lives only to have their contributions misappropriated in this way ?
Posted by individual, Sunday, 13 July 2014 7:38:42 PM
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SR,

Here are a few more:

http://www.immi.gov.au/

"In Part 1 of this report, it is noted that despite the public interest in interceptions of sea vessels carrying illegal migrants"

http://www.afp.gov.au/media-centre/news/afp/2001/June/illegal-immigrants-detained-by-indonesian-authorities.aspx

"The Minister for Justice and Customs, Senator Chris Ellison, today confirmed that the Indonesian National Police have detained a total of 416 illegal immigrants who were destined to travel illegally to Australia."

etc, etc.

I can continue feeding you crow all day.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 13 July 2014 11:41:52 PM
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Poirot,

"The official lexicon for those who came by air was "Non Irregular Maritime Arrival".

Really?
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 14 July 2014 2:10:53 AM
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SM,

On that Immigration Dept document I posted it states:

"Non Irregular Maritime Arrivals. Non-MIA generally refers to Protection Visa applicants who arrived by air and are already in Australia's migration zone".
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 14 July 2014 9:15:00 AM
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Poirot,

The term is not official lexicon, and is glaringly so. I was giving you a chance to rectify an embarrassing faux pas.

The paper is comparing those that came by boat to those that didn't. Referring to airline passengers as non boat passengers in any other context is a grammatical snafu that my kids would not make.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 14 July 2014 9:40:34 AM
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SM,

From my previous post:

"Mr Morrison correctly states that Article 31 includes the term "illegal entry".

It is used in the context of stating that parties to the convention cannot penalise refugees as a result of their "illegal entry or presence" as long as they present to authorities "without delay" and "show good cause for their illegal entry or presence"."

"Irrespective of these sections, "Mr Morrison correctly states that Article 31 includes the term "illegal entry".

It is used in the context of stating that parties to the convention cannot penalise refugees as a result of their "illegal entry or presence" as long as they present to authorities "without delay" and "show good cause for their illegal entry or presence"."

"Irrespective of these sections, it is not a criminal offence under the Act to arrive in Australia without a visa.

The description of foreigners previously as illegal and currently as unlawful in the Migration Act does not mean they have broken the law.

It is a description of their entry status and determines the way authorities process them."

The description of foreigners previously as illegal and currently as unlawful in the Migration Act does not mean they have broken the law.

It is a description of their entry status and determines the way authorities process them."

Yes, referring to those who come by boat as Non Illegal Maritime Arrivals appears counter-intuitive - yet in the Immigration document that's what they do - to define a difference between those who arrive by air and those who arrive by boat. (There's a great big banner headline for each section)

Just because Morrison the Tin Pot General grabs a line from Article 31 and decides to dog-whistle the population with the word "Illegals" doesn't say anything except to define him as a propaganda fiend.

Repeat: It is "not" a criminal offence under the Act to arrive in Australia without a visa.

Before the rabid dog-whistlers came to power, "Irregular Arrivals/Migrants" was generally used for these people.
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 14 July 2014 10:24:35 AM
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