Let's more fully examine the contemptible social and sexual attitudes contained in the following Ludwig quotes:

"If the other party (a child) is actually letting him do it then there is a very big mitigating factor" .. lot's of pedophiles and rapists use this "excuse". When sexual activity occurs between a child and an adult there is NEVER a mitigating "excuse" for the adult. Ludwig belongs in the 15th century.

"She (a child) kept putting herself in situations where those encounters could happen" .. Again, this is Ludwig attempting to blame the innocent little child who is a target for pedophile molestation. Shame on Ludwig. He has no insight or just simply doesn't give a damn about the victims.

"The worst of it was just a little bit of groping which merely amounts to somewhat risque activity" .. Ludwig proves that hes no comprehension whatsoever of the implications of pedophilia, and the crushing effect it has on victims. I just hope and pray that Ludwig is not a father.

"So how did he (censored) and (censored), if she wasn't willing to let him do it?" .. Ludwig yet again blames the victim. Ludwig has no comprehension of the power an adult holds over a child, and if he does he has shown he just doesn't care.

"I would say not molestation at all, not by a long way" .. So Ludwig says sexually interfering with a child unless it's a serious rape etc etc is not worthy of much consideration at all. It's just minor and there's all sorts of mitigating "excuses", and how DARE those pedophile victims make something out of virtually nothing.

"I often feel as though the sort of things Harris did are just par for the course" .. this shows a complete contempt on the part of Ludwig for the victims of pedophilia in our society. Apparently if the offence is not at the higher end of the scale, well it must be just men being men, par for the course, according to Ludwig.

oh dear backwards hojn 123 is back[and right back into it]
anyhow baby..321..mate i have just one question for you

WHAT ABOUT PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY..?

WHAT IDIOT SENDS THEIR KIDS TO SLEEP WITH MICHAEL JACKSON[OR GO ON HOLIDAYS WITH ROLF?]

ITS ALL THE PARENTS[go..look at these things called foster parents]
they look after the kids/till the elietes need them/HAVE YOU EVEN BOTHERD READING;..ANYTHING

WE KNOW ITS PERSONAL/SOME HOW
BUT YOUR OBSESSION SO PERFECTLY REVEALS THE SAME OBSESSION EFFORTS THESE PERVERTS PUT INTO GETTING AT YOUR KIDS
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/79139-the-british-establishment-paedophiles-everywhere/
YOUR SHOWING ALL THE SIGNS

http://ctb.ku.edu/en/table-of-contents/advocacy/respond-to-counterattacks/respond-to-opposition/main

http://home.alphalink.com.au/~radnat/anstey%27s%20kingdom%20of%20shylock.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y58njT2oXfE
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/enron-2-0-wall-street-wants-manipulate-state-energy-markets-just-like-manipulates-every-market.html

i cant go that far less1
im sure ludwig wouldnt eitheR
THE STATEMENT SOUNDS MUCH LIKE 'GROOMING'
[WE WATCHED 321 DOING IT IN THIS THREAD EARLIER WITH GRAYHAM AND POIROT

THE MAN IS A SHAME..BUT I CAN SEE HOW HE HMSELF WAS GROOMED AS WERE THOSE BEFORE HIM[THIS CHILD CULT GOES BACK TO MOSUS]..its not just going to die[how can we live without pope joan and her child[ie renamed mary and the christ]

google pope joan..but thats another topic
Child sacrifice..was practiced in ancient times..AS..MUCH..as today*> ..as offering..to..*Molech.. the Ammonite diety..[or mad]..for short]

a worship of natural.*fertility..*which was*..*SPECIFICALLY forbidden.. *by the laws..of Israel..[under/the..noahtide..laws.. of..my tribe..of levi]..and many/other god creeds..besides.

See Leviticus 18:21; 20:..1-5;
1Kings 11:7;..2 Kings 17:17; 21:6; 27:10;

Jeremiah 32:35; Ezekiel 16:21...

AND EVEN..the GOSPEL..see matthew..23*[all]..5;14-48..james..2/3/4

ANYHOW..lets..vent a little
then quote..the quote..you.and sap[qr]..
are/trolling..[DISTRACTING},..others AWAY*..from..

PLEASE..NOTE*..AND RESPOND*

what laws..do settlers..
in..dark/places..[in..others lands/with duel passports
diplomatic immunity..etc..LIVING..under the talmud..law..in deserts..[unseen]

[what HOLY text..do they..live under?
talmudic [sic*].law?

http://www.biblestudysite.com/factsarefacts.htm
some..quotations;..from the Soncino Edition
of/the Talmud,(Book]

SANHEDRIN,..55b-55a:..
"What is meant by this?...

Rab said:..Pederasty with a child//below nine years of age..is not deemed/..as pederasty..with a child above that.

(footnotes)"..The reference is to..
the passive..'subject'/..[I SAY..*victim}..*..of sodomy

SOD..you bloke..its ok..too ignore
sodomy..upon..little..ones..*UNDER NINE.!

YOU..LOT..[the..seemingly..GODLESS]..defending the indefensible
by Detraction..just like..you..AND S.A.P[qr]....are doing here/now..[sic*]

BUT>>IT GEtS EVEN WORSE*
full..[not..just..the MINED/quote..continues

<<now lets..go EBEN..younger

YEBAMOTH,60b..*...Rabbi.Ramanos who conducted an/inquiry..and..'found'..in it..the*..daughter of a..'proselyte'..
who was.,,*under..the age*of three years..[and one day]...,

and.Rabbi declared her/eligible*..to live/with a priest."

(footnotes)"..A proselyte..under*..the age of three years
and one..day may...be..*married by a priest...

*And..*was married..to a priest.

(i.e.,permitted..to continue/to live..with her*..*'husband'."]

[DO..YU0..[pair..of useful/idiots..[godless fools]..NOT GET>..IT..?

satan..is putting the spin..[DETRACTive/spin]..into..your every mindless..even pathetic..mined/quote/post

Foxy you said on the Wicked Campers thread:

<< You appeared not to be offended by Rolf Harris's criminal behaviour. Yet you are offended by slogans on camper vans.>>

I am saddened by this.

Of course I am offended by Harris’ activities.

I have made it patently clear that I think the sentence he has received is reasonable, and that of course he has done the wrong thing, repeatedly.

But I have tried to put it all in context rather than just completely accept all that has transpired and condemn him to the hilt, like many people are doing.

I read the judge’s sentencing remarks to gain a full appreciation of what the charges were and what he had decided regarding the sentence and why. I wasn’t looking for anything by way of support for Harris. I certainly wouldn’t have expected to find that sort of thing in that particular document.

But I found disturbing uncertainties and apparent anomalies, which made me immediately think that no one should take as gospel what has been determined by the court or the judge, and that there is plenty of possibility of it all not being as bad as it has been made out to be, or perhaps considerably worse.

And I have implored everyone to consider the magnitude of his misdemeanours compared to the full spectrum of molestation and pedophilia and indeed offences of all sorts, and to not just absolutely condemn and destroy someone who is right at the light end of the spectrum of this sort of thing.

Foxy I am saddened that I have not been able to do this without you and a couple of others just immediately thinking the worst of me. This in itself is very telling. It reinforces my fear that normally intelligent and rational people, especially when they are all thinking alike, can (inadvertently) beat something right up and make it out to be much worse than it really is.

I am not saying that this has happened with Harris, but I am suggesting that it could have happened, at least to some extent.

Hinch on Harris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAaI0UqDJ8

Lester1 said << Good on you Ludwig, we support you>>

Given the outrages nature of some of the pro Rolf posters, you have to ask; WHO ARE THE WE PEOPLE?

Here's some extra, more recent quotes from Ludwig. It shows that Ludwig remains just as intransigent, black and white and blaming the victims as he was in his first outrageous post. Nothing that can be said will change his 15th century social and sexual attitudes. So sad. He offers "excuse" after "excuse" for the pedophilia of Harris.

"The scope and severity of the offences and the impact they had is all rather uncertain"... this is yet ANOTHER Ludwig attempt to discredit the testimony of the Harris victims. Ludwig thinks it's good to try to discredit the victims, because if that's successful it will aid Harris. It's typically what adult rapists of adult women try to do; they try to avoid punishment by discrediting their victims. Shame on Ludwig, shame.

"Given the 'low severity' of Harris's activity/offences"... yet again Ludwig is forever trying to excuse Harris's pedophilia by implying it's not really all that bad. Ludwig called it "par for the course" activity and "playful behaviour" in another post. I truly, truly pray that Ludwig is not a parent.

"Harris may have been targeted" ... this is Ludwig's conspiracy theory that attempts to degrade and humiliate the victims. The idea being to attack the victim, so that the perpetrator is helped. Ludwig belongs back in the 15th century.