SteeleRedux, <<given you (Ludwig) have proscribed a $300 fine for actual physical and sexual contact>> << Assume Harris, instead of sexually assaulting the 8 year old, had taken a picture of her unclothed in a change room without her being aware of it.>> <<what does your (Ludwig) scale deem an appropriate penalty for Harris for this action?>>

Its obvious, loss of internet access for a whole week! oh dear no kiddy porn for a week! How would good old Rolf survive?

R0bert, good post to Jay.

Here’s hoping they he may yet stop writing posts with steam issuing forth from his ears and his fingers nearly bashing the keys off the keyboard, and start thinking in a somewhat calmer and more level-headed manner!

<< I've struggled with your [Jay’s] posts… >>

Very tactfully put.

<< …someone [Ludwig] who I mostly respect even when I disagree with him… >>

Thankyou. And likewise.

<< I've used some of the same types of posts [as Ludwig] when dealing with issues around DV and family law. >>

Very interesting indeed.

<< Areas around the viewing of images and the impact on real world behaviours, my gut feel is that for most its likely to provide a release and make them less likely to seek physical contact… >>

Fascinating. So, if someone views child pornography, perhaps we shouldn’t just automatically condemn them for it then. Perhaps they could be looking for a way of addressing their ‘condition’ without letting it manifest itself into molestation? Just pondering.

<< For instance what treatment programs are there for those with an orientation towards children and who want help? >>

Good question. I think that just about everyone with that sort orientation would be too scared to tell ANYONE about it for fear of being borne down on very heavily. Indeed, once someone admits to having a sexual attraction for children and a liking for child pornography, they can say goodbye to their life as they know it and hello to demonisation for the rest of their existence! That’s how bad we treat people of that sort.

So it is indeed very brave of you R0bert to suggest that child porn could possibly have a positive effect for some people.

I’d consider this to be at least as ‘brave’ as me putting my views on Harris forward on this forum.

sorry old man..[i cant resist]

lewdwig-quote..<<>.Good question.>>

iagree

>>/I think that just about everyone..with that sort orientation would be too scared..to tell ANYONE about it for fear of being borne down on very heavily...>>

yes olchap..its a prime control mechanism..;globally
[once/you..got..the dirt*on-em..[their pathetic little obsessions
are slight..:COMPARED to the..true evils.

<<..Indeed, once someone admits..to having a sexual attraction for children..>>

ITS THE WORDS WE NEED USE
SEE THAT BALD BADGERS=CHILD LINKAGE
SHAVED LEGS/'YOUNG SKIN'..THE VIGURE OF YOUTH
[GIRLS RUB DEAD FORSHIN CELLS ON THEIR FACES TO STAY YOUNG
AIDS PERVERTS RAPE KIDS TO CURE AIDS..WHO GOES OUT WITH A GIRL WITH NO BREASTS BUT A CHILD PERVERT MEETING HIS TURNONS..no hips=loves kids
and these tiny purse size WOMAN[SO BELOVED BECAUSE F THEIR KIDDY LIKE SIZE[HOW ABOUT MODELS[13 YEAR OLD KIDS LOOKING LIKE DRUG ADDICTS..[NO TITs]

but/were..missing a bigger picture

<..but were and a liking for child pornography,>>

every guy checks out other woman
woman often check out both sexesloking/thinking deluding THERE IS A LINE[KIDDIES IN ADVERTS IS JUST FINE/TO MAKE MOVIE STAR KIDS GREAT

HOW COME THEIR FAME>
CAUSE THEIR KIDS[THE BIGGEST KIDDIE PORN IS CATALOGUES AND KIDDIE PROGRAMING[ANYTHING WITH KIDS HMO0AND THE AWAY-GAY..KIDS AT DANCE KIDS AT PLAY/ALL THIS IDDY PERVERSION;ON TV=PORNOGRAPHY*

IE PHOTO-GRAPHICLY KIDDY GLEE
what adult needs be entertained by kids;on stage;its perversion

thinkof them asults going to sports day/or watching net ballers skirts

<<..they can say goodbye to their life as they know it and hello to demonisation for the rest of their existence! That’s how bad we treat people of that sort.>>

yes were all perverts..[ok maybe its just me]
but to be honest im going to give up on woman..its like their on some freaking pedio0stool,..they can sniff babies..and love kids for them thats col/but men[well its said/so itmust be true;..all men are bar stewards..and as for any..sex..forget it/sex is evil/bad sad and unhealthy//dont tought genitalia/their dirty..[here go for a run/run off ya sexual frustrations/or join the priesthoods..or..become-a*NUN

Ludwig, it was actually jay123's style of post I was referring to when I said I've done similar.

My comments about the viewing of child porn as a release are a call for more investigation/research. The use of images of real children is a show stopper for me on that but there may be ways around that issue. What I don't think we know with an evidence base is if it reduces the incidence of physical contact with children. My impression is the laws and policing around that are not based around harm minimisation and research.

Agreed it would be very tough for someone with a sexual orientatiin towards children to seek help even if affordable help was available. Oddly though kiddy fiddlers seem to be able to find each other so its not apparently an insurmountable barrier.

R0bert

RObert, Ludwig and Others,

The proposal that "child pornography" should be made available to those who want it, as an alternative to the acts of pedophilia that such persons may otherwise partake in. RIDICULOUS! The notion that this could be used as a sop, as a buy off, as an appeasement, as an alternative for these types of people, RIDICULOUS!
Please explain which children will be used to "satisfy" these pedophiles. Will it only be soft porn in the form of naked photos of children, or will it include more explicit pics including adults? What age will be the "cut off" five years old, new born's! And the big questions, will these children be given the opportunity to make an informed and rational decision? Which children will it include, Australians or will we get them from Asia, cheaper that way! What control will these children have over how their bodies are abused? As I said RIDICULOUS!

PAUL;quote..<<...a sop, as a buy off,..as an appeasement,..as an alternative..for these types of people,..RIDICULOUS!>>

yes it is/but
who's..saying it..[you?]

<<..Please explain/which children..will-be used
..to.."satisfy"..these pedophiles.>>

mate..your diverting..;the discussion
none..[who is suggesting this?..[you?]

<<.Will it*,,only be..soft porn,.>>

mate all child porn=hard porn
its abhorent..its baser-beast behavior

your mising..the point

<<..or will*it..>>

there..thats..the problem..;
><<or will it be*..>

mate were..not talking/of what
'will'..be..but..what now is`!`

MATE;GOOGLE/THE JUNK..THE.. [THE SECURITY ] AGENCIES SLIP IN A FEW 'HONEY TRAPS'..OF PHOT-SHOPED KIDS[THEY EVEN 'TALK'//LIVE TIME WITH THEM[POLICE STINGS]..POINT BEING WERE ALL BEING PROPHILED

HOW LONG EVEN WHERE WE LOOK AT THE IMAGE
its all being auto recorded;;this photo he looks at the most

mate get real..about//what now is..
where..SAfe place/to say this..is the line
[and its based-on emotional/mental*age;not physical age

look at some porn.[educate yourself..problems
see/the issUES

oNE SECOND..SHE IS JAIL BAIT
NEXT SHES 18..[OR IS IT 21]..AND..ITS A SPEAD/IN MAN MAGAZINE[WHERE GIRLS..GET AIR BRUSHED..INTO BARBIE DOLLS/

then/boys\find the real ones
dont match up..the reality..and/go\gay*

were sold..youth is best

today..so when you\ask re tomorrow...thats what we are all asking....then figure out/a fair safe*mode..[stitch-em up till theIR 30?

you ask will..the future..<<.>>include.more explicit pics including adults?

mate there is stuff =..NOW..far worse*[police have;face id/these guys must be known..but the system lives on..THATS HOW IT IS TODAY*

tomorrow?..
A ONE BUTTON\REPORTING SYSTEM;
MAKES THE PICTURES..oTHAT OFFEND GO AWAY..so you..wnt be offended ever again

oops thats what they do today
[ya heard of child locks?..no..gee parental novices'

<<..What control..will these..children have
over..how their bodies..are abused?>>

facial-recognition/resques/and reports;those..who/were advantaged[thank-god/our govt;knows/everything.

we fit..all kids;at birth
that if they get..over a set-measure..of fright
GOD....kill every one.within 6 feet OF THEM..WITH LASERS

G.O.D*[GOD]
REGESTERD TRADMARK@BE/GOOD\OR/DIE*[INC/LTD.]

THERE
PROPBLEM FIXED
and they stay in..till the day you die;

SIMPLES*fixed.

<<..As I said RIDICULOUS!>>

as you felt like saying
then spoke/some speak it out as a joke
others as complaint/but think what motivated/these thoughts into your mind?

the media
And I wonder why it is so difficult to think a little, to get it into our heads that television news and photojournalism manipulate our thoughts and emotions. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1689647