Lester1,

I note that your own contribution that "was" on page 34 of this thread has been wiped "completely" by the moderator. It was so base and disgusting (and explicit) that not even a *Deleted* was left to denote it had existed.

Dear Lester,

You're entitled to your opinion, but not your facts.

And the facts remain that - sexual
abuse of children is horrendous and intolerable,
that Mr Harris got away with it for
so long has done immeasurable damage to the victims.

Those are the facts and the findings of the Court.

May I politely suggest that you re-read Graham's earlier
post. Perhaps you may yet understand the excellent points
that Graham has made.

GEE LESTER... your really in the wars
[changed anyhing re homosexuality "[ie being atacked by two wives one in each ear[thank god we got monogonY AND WE CAN SIT THEM AT OUR LEFT EAR[OR SEND EM ON LINE TO GO bug someone elSes ear

NOW I gone and forgot what i was going to say
[did you rEAd it girls?]

WHAT OFFENDED YOU SPECIFICLY THAT YOU COMPLAINED?
HES A REligious nut?..a sexist pig?..please HOW ARE WE TO LEARN IF WE AVOID BEING SPECIfic?

really..ITS OK TO TALK HONESTLY
I BLAME IT ON BAD MOTHERS[WHEN KIDS OFFEND BOTH PArents should stand trial/

Nice twisting of the facts Poirot. There was NO deletions of a post from me on page 34. Try telling the truth next time. Foxy, I read the moderator's post, THAT'S what I was referring to when I said that Jay the fool had been warned. He ignored the warning and quoted one of Ludwig's graphic posts on page 28, thus I suspect Jay is now banned. I was saying the moderator had the common sense to NOT delete Ludwig's graphic posts on page 28, obviously because they were intelligent and made perfect sense. Jay chose to quote one of those posts, and Jay is obviously an idiot so he got the chop. Good riddance.

Lester1,

There is no denoted "Deletion" of a post of yours on page 34 because it has been completely wiped off OLO's public record...we all saw it and it remained there for some time, despite it being particularly grotesque.

It's gone now.

Ludwig and his supporters have really done us a service in demonstrating how pervasive some men's negative attitudes to woman (and children) are, and how far apologists for men's poor behaviour will go. Indeed the whole episode has highlighted this - as demonstrated by the widespread trolling on this subject, for example:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/showbiz/488173/Vanessa-Feltz-opens-up-about-Rolf-Harris-backlash.

How entrenched... here are just a couple of other examples:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/13/us/how-one-college-handled-a-sexual-assault-complaint.html?emc=edit_th_20140713&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=55689460&_r=0

https://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/john-webb-founder-wicked-campers-eliminate-misogynistic-and-degrading-slogans-and-imagery.

There is a positive side: the responses to this article from men who have challenged the apologists, thank you, guys! If this is ever going to change, we need you to stand up to unconscionable behaviour.

Ultimately this is all just power games - the groping of little girls in public (presumably for the thrill of getting away with it), the rapes, the public slurs and put-downs. What a travesty of masculinity.