After reading the posts by Ludwig on page 28, plus some other posts from him, let me say that if I knew who Ludwig was in real life I would never let any of my 3 children anywhere near him, whether supervised or unsupervised. If I lived next door to Ludwig I would move my children away asap, and if I was ever in a position where I couldn't move them asap I would inform the police of his sexual attitudes towards molestation of young children, and take all steps that could be taken to have him legally monitored, for the protection of my children.

JAY321............THATS A STRONG SECOND POST
about someone you dont know/hope/WONDER/re your third post\

your wrong

Wow!...I failed to notice Ludwig's very long and detailed defence of Rolf's crimes on page 28.

Extraordinary that he should defend a man in his 50's taking liberties with an underage girl...and Ludwig appears to be intimating that she asked for it by being in his orbit on an ongoing basis...and poor old Rolf was just doing what came naturally.

Will examine his mitigations for Harris when I have a little more time.

Again, it's astounding to have Ludwig continue to make excuses for a middle-aged man molesting underage girls...as if Harris was lured by some experienced femme fatales - and had no control over his own deviance.

Hold on there Poirot.

You say:

<< Will examine his mitigations for Harris when I have a little more time. >>

How about doing that before you lambast me for my very carefully considered views on this subject.

Look at it all in the detail that I have looked at it…. and then pass judgement.

o sung wu,
"may I refer to my notebook your Honor?"
I came across an interesting co incidence after our discussion about Lennie Lawson the other night.
The girl who Lawson took as hostage in Parramatta prison was the same girl that Dr. Harry Bailey, of Chelsford "Deep Sleep" fame, married and later killed with psychotropic drugs although the coroner said it was suicide.
An interesting sight you might like to look at is this one.Some interesting name in the photos.
http://studentweb.usq.edu.au/home/d9811076/index.html
God I'd hate to be in the 'job' today.
Sleep well old mate.

Luwig,

Regarding your opening post on page 28.

You say...

"I find myself vacillating somewhat as to the extent of accepting Harris as a pedophile, or a bit of a grub, or just a pretty normal human being.'

"In short, I often feel as though the sort of things he did are just par for the course...."

"Indeed we all have seminal moments where people wrong-do us in a manner that changes us and relieves us very suddenly of some of our naivety. In that regard, we shouldn’t be pulling out sexual activity as being significantly different or worse than all manner of other stuff that affects us."

Before we get to the nitty-gritty, I'll remind you that touching up young girls is socially, and therefore, criminally taboo in our culture.

It may have been "par for the course" for Rolf Harris to see young girls as opportunities to indulge his sexuality, either fleetingly, or in the case of his daughter's friend, more intimately...but as a grown man he knew what he was doing was beynd the pale.

I'm afraid our society does pull out all manner of sexual activity for censure...that's the way it works in our culture. Harris knew that. He may have shown limited bravado, and engendered an extra thrill, in ambushing his young victims in public settings, but it's not something he went round bragging about. According to him "They were all making it up"!

He also knew that his behaviour if exposed and convicted, would receive the derision of the community he inhabited.

The fact that he committed these offences serially and over a considerable period of time, tells us that they weren't aberrations of character, they were calculated behaviours to take advantage of young people for his own selfish pleasures.

That is contemptible.