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Rolf Harris

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Just to reiterate the difference between a high profile celebrity targeting "young girls" and grown women.

This is interesting...

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jul/04/rolf-harris-new-zealand-mp-maggie-barry?CMP=twt_gu

"Maggie Barry, a sitting MP, said the incident gave her a chilling insight into the dark side of the Australian-born entertainer, who was convicted in London on Monday of a string of sex assaults against girls between 1968 and 1986.

Barry said she was in her mid-20s and working at a regional radio station when she lined up an interview with Harris, who was touring the country."

"When he put his hand on my leg I said, 'You can stop that right now', and I stood up and said, 'You're a sleazy creep.' At that point he got a bit nasty and the publicist came in and smoothed things over."

She said that after she confronted Harris over his behaviour he "began to cut up rough [became angry] and protest and called me a couple of names" before the publicist intervened and he apologised.

But she said it showed Harris thought he could act with impunity because of his fame and the situation could have been far more serious if he had molested someone who was younger or more vulnerable and not willing to stand up to him.

"It seemed that he was pretty confident and arrogant if he thought he could try it on with someone like me," she said."
Posted by Poirot, Friday, 4 July 2014 6:57:34 PM
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O sung wu,

The rattan as wielded in Singapore is a fearsome punishment and the recipients spend at least a week (and more) sleeping on their stomachs after an application, they are literally black and blue.
I have seen a video of a Singaporean recovery cell, courtesy of an Indian Police Officer of my acquaintance. Not nice.

On limitations; 72 years ago I and some of my school mates were groped and kissed by a male teacher; should I now sue the organization to which he belonged for compensation and have him posthumously branded a kiddie fiddler?
He left the organization, married and had a family and, by all accounts, thereafter led a blameless life; should the effect on his family be taken into account whilst thinking about suing?

We called him "Slobber Lips" bye the way!
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 4 July 2014 8:03:28 PM
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Hi there IS MISE...

Your last paragraph raised some interesting propositions concerning the unlawful activities of 'slobber lips' seventy years in the past ? Does 'time' mitigate in anyway this man's actions all these years ago ? Ostensibly since his marriage and the birth of his children, is it appropriate now to publically denounce him to the world, for the crimes, that he'd perpetrated seventy odd years ago ? Is that justice ? Obviously he's deceased ? Therefore, who'd receive the punishment ?

Imagine the pain, the public humiliation and the enduring sadness that his surviving family must carry for the balance of their own existence ? Surely that's only punishing the innocent.

You might ask what would I do ? I really have no idea. What I will admit too, is the awful pain and anguish I've had occasion to purposely and wilfully impose and inflict on many poor bastards when I was working as a detective ? Perhaps if I'd handled things a little differently, there would've been less misery left in the wake of some of my jobs (investigations) notwithstanding positive results generally ensured. You see,'fear' is a tool that must be wielded very judiciously and definitely, NOT indiscriminately. It's not our (police) job to punish.

The question of 'appropriate' punishment, has in recent years, caused me much disillusionment and cynicism. I guess that's the reason why the whole Harris case, has me quite ambivalent as to an appropriate punishment for this eighty four year old man ?
Posted by o sung wu, Friday, 4 July 2014 10:13:02 PM
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Rolf Harris has been sentenced to five years nine months.

More information has been released in the wake of his conviction.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jul/04/rolf-harris-websites-indecent-images-children?CMP=soc_568

"Rolf Harris browsed websites showing images of girls believed to be as young as 13, it can now be reported following his conviction for indecent assault.

When detectives examined the 84-year-old entertainer's desktop computer after they searched his home in Bray, Berkshire, in 2012 while investigating historical claims of indecent assault, they discovered he had visited websites with such names as "My little nieces", "Tiny teen girlfriends" and "Russian girlfriends".

They also found a note in Harris's diary, in his handwriting, with instructions on how to delete the history on his internet browser programme."
Posted by Poirot, Friday, 4 July 2014 10:27:53 PM
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Anyone still of the notion that all Rolf was up to was a little harmless groping might like to peruse the Judge's sentencing remarks.

http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/sentencing-remarks-mr-j-sweeney-r-v-harris1.pdf

Ludwig, if you read this, I think you'll realise why Rolf has been convicted.

Not "groping"...but full on sexual abuse.
Posted by Poirot, Friday, 4 July 2014 11:31:06 PM
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This all makes me wonder why those who are (rightly) so against this kind of behaviour, are so quiet about Australian sex tourists going to Asia & callously exploit the poverty of families there. There are Australians who have their their own child sex network & no-one seems to think anything of it. I spoke with a fairly high ranking bureaucrat who proudly claimed to have "gone through a thousand" girls in an asian country. Perhaps they were of sufficient age for his conscience but could he have "achived" this here ? Let's focus on those asian sex tourist Australians now that Rolf is put away. Probably not as high profile if we can't find a celebrity but probably even more perverse. Anyone see the TV show what really happens in Bali ? Well, they conveniently forgot about the australian perverts latching onto the little kids of poor families.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 5 July 2014 7:48:01 AM
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