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ISIS as an incipient State

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The incipient state of ISIS tells us a lot about the nature of the State in general.

The State is that group who claim a monopoly of the use of aggressive force over their subjects in a particular territory.

All it would take for ISIS to become the government of Iraq, is to take over Iraq by killing or intimidating anyone who disagrees, and then be recognised as a State by other States. Then the extortion of raising funds by threatening to shoot people would magically become “fiscal policy”; and killing large numbers of people would magically become “defence policy”, just as the USA’s invasions and occupations of Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam were supposedly “defence”.

All of a sudden ISIS would not be a terrorist organisation, because terrorism is always defined to exempt States from the definition, for example: “the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims” (Google: ‘terrorism definition’).

Obviously the official or authorised use couldn’t be included, because that would make clear that all States instrinsically meet the definition!

We have only to look at the history of states to confirm this. For example Homer calls king Ulysses “sacker of cities”. Herodotus describes the Mediterranean states constantly attacking and invading each other. Even a well-established respectable State like Britain succeeds from a long line of groups of guys killing people who disagree: at Hastings, at Shrewsbury, at Bosworth Field, at Culloden, and more. Lincoln killed about 600,000 people to prevent secession from a State explicitly founded on the right of secession. And in our own times, what new State was not founded in killing or the authority of a preceding State?

The wonder is that so many people believe that the State, instead of a successful ISIS, is some kind of benevolent institution, of selfless service. For example recent articles on OLO have assumed, without any reason given, that the State is somehow fitted to the task of educating the young, fine-tuning the weather, achieving social justice, and regulating consensual sexual relations.

It is nonsense to say "we" are the State!
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 10:59:11 AM
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its time to boyCOTT THE WQAr mongers/cOMPLETLY STOP BYING THEIR PRODUCT..BOYCOtt war mongers


http://www.blacklistednews.com/Violence_in_Iraq_Means_Profits_for_Beechcraft%2C_Lockheed%2C_Raytheon_and_other_Weapons_Makers/35960/0/0/0/Y/M.html

The "disaster of monumental proportions" Lindsey Graham is talking about if the Iraqi people kick out their US puppet regime is actually about money. The war agenda followed by the US is to conquer all of the world's resource-rich areas to force everyone to pay for those resources in US dollars borrowed at interest from the Federal Reserve.

Iraq itself is a classic example. In 2002 Saddam Hussein received permission from the United Nations to sell Iraq's oil, not for the dollar, but for the Euro. One year later, lying that Saddam had nuclear weapons, the US invaded and Iraq's oil is back on the world market, but only for the US dollar.

What is going on in Iraq is a popular uprising, similar to the one in Iran in 1979 that kicked out the US puppet the Shah.

If the people of Iraq succeed in taking back their country from US proxy-rule, the rest of the war agenda will collapse. The American people will tolerate no more wars, will certainly not pay the bills for the wars, let alone sacrifice the lives of their children just to make the private central bank richer than it already is.
http://ftmdaily.com/daily-briefing/061614/

Washington DC is desperate to crush down the Iraqi people, but dares not openly invade and conquer Iraq a second time, in an election year. So they are pulling out every slimy trick there is in the book, calling the Iraqi people "terrorists", "militants", "insurgents",
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 4:24:00 PM
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http://patriotrising.com/2014/06/16/war-industry-stands-make-billions-isis-threat/

and "Al Qaeda" to obfuscate the fact that this is a popular revolt. As a side note, the US Government described the Iranian people the same way in 1979, until the reality of it being a revolution was inescapable.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9a0_1402940818
http://www.intellihub.com/senator-says-isis-held-territory-iraq-will-next-911-staging-area/
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/16/pat-robertson-unloads-on-bush-for-latest-iraq-crisis-we-were-sold-a-bill-of-goods/

people of Iraq have/had enough of all-out war from the United States. They will, as Iran did in 1979,..mind their own business and not give the US a reason to attack.

BUT ITS LIES..Right....And Iraq stole incubators from Kuwait and Saddam had nuclear weapons,..blah, blah, blah, blah.

Back in 1979, when the people of Iraq got fed up with living under a US puppet regime and kicked the Shah out, the US Government and the media branded the Iranians as "terrorists", "separatists", militants", and "insurgents" until the reality of a popular revolt against US proxy rule became undeniable.
http://investmentwatchblog.com/qe1-qe2-qe3-feds-take-record-1-9-trillion-in-revenue-we-are-idiots/
The same is happening in Iraq. When you look at how 30,00 US trained and financed Iraqi security forces have been swept away, it is obvious this is not the work of a splinter "Islamic" group, but a full on popular uprising.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsbCvCKkThc

the big wory
http://investmentwatchblog.com/obama-will-sacrifice-baghdad-embassy-to-start-ww-iii/

the war machine=hanger decorations[yet again]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10902982/Engine-fault-grounds-entire-F-35-fleet-in-latest-blow-to-Britains-stealth-fighters.html

i/ would be very careful about these images of atrocities, coming as they are from the same people who claimed Iraq was stealing incubators from Kuwait and Saddam had nuclear weapons.
http://www.intellihub.com/bombs-explode-baghdad-photos-war-atrocities-surface/

If there is a big bang somewhere in the United States, it will not be from Iraq, although Iraq will get the blame for it. But if there is a Big Bang in America what it will also do is send the message that all of this illegal and unconstitutional spying on law-abiding Americans by the NSA doesn't work to stop terrorism.

If there is a Big Bang in America what it will do is send the message that all of this illegal and unconstitutional crotch-groping, luggage looting, and laptop smashing on law-abiding Americans by the TSA doesn't work to stop terrorism.
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/if-kerry-cant-bring-us-peace-maybe-a-red-cow-can/
The only way to stop real terrorism is to stop screwing around with other peoples' countries.
http://rt.com/usa/166060-usa-fbi-terrorism-prosecutions/
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 4:41:48 PM
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ALEX TALKS OF ISIS=NATO AUTHORISED[BUILT UP IN SYRIA/WEPENS FROM UKRANE..THE SAUDIES ARE RUNNING eL CIA-RDA..[second hour]..win win/[cause the puppet got too uppity/began istening to some locals/not the elites...3 years in the planning?

its the saudies/zionists..and pentagon[plenty gone]
http://tarpley.net/isis-blitz-run-by-cia-france-saudis-turkey-to-save-syrian-rebels-topple-maliki-isolate-iran/

HEAR 2 DE HOUR
http://rss.infowars.com/20140616_Mon_Alex.mp3
posted an expose on them a few days ago...BUT CANT FIND IT
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 6:10:18 PM
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SORRY..The Illuminati are tied directly..through/free-masonry..to the sun and Isis cults of ancient Egypt..

Killing was a mystical experience to this branch of the Mystery Schools...They not only maintained their control by murder and threats of murder,..they believed that the assassin could acquire the gnosis,..or soul energy from the victim.
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/sandy-hook-redux-obama-officials-confirm-that-it-was-a-drill-and-no-children-died_062014

This is the theory..behind the human and animal sacrifices of Satanists..throughout history..(and the ritual child abuse etc).

Satanists believe that sacrifices..release more of it than anything else...[Such are the dark and sordid machinations of the deluded souls..who think their gnosis accumulations..and illumination will give them some form of deity.or i..PRECIEVED/higher\degree-OF..Immortality. . .” (source)

That’s just a quick glimpse...
Research for yourself and learn much more...
http://rss.infowars.com/20140615_Sun_Alex.mp3
Massive casualties and deaths turn them on. As it does for those controlling them behind the scenes both here and inter-dimensionally.

You’ll find this energy vampirism throughout any esoteric studies on this subject, popularized by the Matrix movies where humans are considered energy “batteries” to be drained and utilized. That’s pretty much what they’re up to.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/

Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi – Leader of ISIS

By the way, as far a manipulating the Arab masses, the choice of the supposed leader’s name of these high financed and western trained pre-positioned rogue forces is Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi. This name couldn’t be any more incendiary.

The schism between Sunni and Shia Muslims lies in disputes over who would succeed Muhammad as leader of the faithful after his death in 632. The Shiites thought the prophet’s son-in-law and cousin should lead as caliph, particularly given his blood relationship to Muhammad. Their opponents, the Sunnis, thought Abu Bakr, one of Mohammad’s first converts, should be their leader.

The Shiites lost a series of wars for power in the early years of Islam and today are the clear minority in global Islam, making up about 15 percent of adherents. They are in the majority in Iraq and Iran. (source)

No mere coincidence there.
http://cecaust.com.au/main.asp?sub=global_warming&id=main.html
More, emphasis added:
http://tarpley.net/

All of this cleverly engineered, any way you look at it. http://www.thedailysheeple.com/the-isis-ploy-illuminati-sorcery-and-sacrifice_062014

http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/35385/Repudiate-the-Public-Debt-How-About-Corporate-Personhood-and-Monopoly-Central-Banking/

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/analysis/2014/06/09/Pope-Francis-brings-together-Imams-and-Rabbis-at-the-Vatican.html

http://www.redressonline.com/2014/06/materialism-and-misery-and-the-need-for-change/

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/09/credit-rating-agencies-took-bribes-for-higher-ratings.html

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/unsealed-documents-expose-morgan-stanley-forcing-rating-agencies-inflate-ratings

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304830104575172280848939898.html?mod=WSJ_Markets_MIDDLETopNews

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/the-generational-short-banks-wall-street-housing-and-luxury-retail-are-doomed_062014
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 7:03:59 PM
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Hi there ONE UNDER GOD...

In your previous thread, you mention Freemasonry Johan. What is it that you know is wrong with the Freemasons, other than a lot of unsubstantiated rumours about them ? Further, what is it they do exactly, and what is it they stand for ? Is it for good or evil or neither ?
Posted by o sung wu, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 2:41:57 PM
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