The incipient state of ISIS tells us a lot about the nature of the State in general.

The State is that group who claim a monopoly of the use of aggressive force over their subjects in a particular territory.

All it would take for ISIS to become the government of Iraq, is to take over Iraq by killing or intimidating anyone who disagrees, and then be recognised as a State by other States. Then the extortion of raising funds by threatening to shoot people would magically become “fiscal policy”; and killing large numbers of people would magically become “defence policy”, just as the USA’s invasions and occupations of Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam were supposedly “defence”.

All of a sudden ISIS would not be a terrorist organisation, because terrorism is always defined to exempt States from the definition, for example: “the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims” (Google: ‘terrorism definition’).

Obviously the official or authorised use couldn’t be included, because that would make clear that all States instrinsically meet the definition!

We have only to look at the history of states to confirm this. For example Homer calls king Ulysses “sacker of cities”. Herodotus describes the Mediterranean states constantly attacking and invading each other. Even a well-established respectable State like Britain succeeds from a long line of groups of guys killing people who disagree: at Hastings, at Shrewsbury, at Bosworth Field, at Culloden, and more. Lincoln killed about 600,000 people to prevent secession from a State explicitly founded on the right of secession. And in our own times, what new State was not founded in killing or the authority of a preceding State?

The wonder is that so many people believe that the State, instead of a successful ISIS, is some kind of benevolent institution, of selfless service. For example recent articles on OLO have assumed, without any reason given, that the State is somehow fitted to the task of educating the young, fine-tuning the weather, achieving social justice, and regulating consensual sexual relations.

It is nonsense to say "we" are the State!

its time to boyCOTT THE WQAr mongers/cOMPLETLY STOP BYING THEIR PRODUCT..BOYCOtt war mongers


http://www.blacklistednews.com/Violence_in_Iraq_Means_Profits_for_Beechcraft%2C_Lockheed%2C_Raytheon_and_other_Weapons_Makers/35960/0/0/0/Y/M.html

The "disaster of monumental proportions" Lindsey Graham is talking about if the Iraqi people kick out their US puppet regime is actually about money. The war agenda followed by the US is to conquer all of the world's resource-rich areas to force everyone to pay for those resources in US dollars borrowed at interest from the Federal Reserve.

Iraq itself is a classic example. In 2002 Saddam Hussein received permission from the United Nations to sell Iraq's oil, not for the dollar, but for the Euro. One year later, lying that Saddam had nuclear weapons, the US invaded and Iraq's oil is back on the world market, but only for the US dollar.

What is going on in Iraq is a popular uprising, similar to the one in Iran in 1979 that kicked out the US puppet the Shah.

If the people of Iraq succeed in taking back their country from US proxy-rule, the rest of the war agenda will collapse. The American people will tolerate no more wars, will certainly not pay the bills for the wars, let alone sacrifice the lives of their children just to make the private central bank richer than it already is.
http://ftmdaily.com/daily-briefing/061614/

Washington DC is desperate to crush down the Iraqi people, but dares not openly invade and conquer Iraq a second time, in an election year. So they are pulling out every slimy trick there is in the book, calling the Iraqi people "terrorists", "militants", "insurgents",

http://patriotrising.com/2014/06/16/war-industry-stands-make-billions-isis-threat/

and "Al Qaeda" to obfuscate the fact that this is a popular revolt. As a side note, the US Government described the Iranian people the same way in 1979, until the reality of it being a revolution was inescapable.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9a0_1402940818
http://www.intellihub.com/senator-says-isis-held-territory-iraq-will-next-911-staging-area/
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/16/pat-robertson-unloads-on-bush-for-latest-iraq-crisis-we-were-sold-a-bill-of-goods/

people of Iraq have/had enough of all-out war from the United States. They will, as Iran did in 1979,..mind their own business and not give the US a reason to attack.

BUT ITS LIES..Right....And Iraq stole incubators from Kuwait and Saddam had nuclear weapons,..blah, blah, blah, blah.

Back in 1979, when the people of Iraq got fed up with living under a US puppet regime and kicked the Shah out, the US Government and the media branded the Iranians as "terrorists", "separatists", militants", and "insurgents" until the reality of a popular revolt against US proxy rule became undeniable.
http://investmentwatchblog.com/qe1-qe2-qe3-feds-take-record-1-9-trillion-in-revenue-we-are-idiots/
The same is happening in Iraq. When you look at how 30,00 US trained and financed Iraqi security forces have been swept away, it is obvious this is not the work of a splinter "Islamic" group, but a full on popular uprising.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsbCvCKkThc

the big wory
http://investmentwatchblog.com/obama-will-sacrifice-baghdad-embassy-to-start-ww-iii/

the war machine=hanger decorations[yet again]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10902982/Engine-fault-grounds-entire-F-35-fleet-in-latest-blow-to-Britains-stealth-fighters.html

i/ would be very careful about these images of atrocities, coming as they are from the same people who claimed Iraq was stealing incubators from Kuwait and Saddam had nuclear weapons.
http://www.intellihub.com/bombs-explode-baghdad-photos-war-atrocities-surface/

If there is a big bang somewhere in the United States, it will not be from Iraq, although Iraq will get the blame for it. But if there is a Big Bang in America what it will also do is send the message that all of this illegal and unconstitutional spying on law-abiding Americans by the NSA doesn't work to stop terrorism.

If there is a Big Bang in America what it will do is send the message that all of this illegal and unconstitutional crotch-groping, luggage looting, and laptop smashing on law-abiding Americans by the TSA doesn't work to stop terrorism.
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/if-kerry-cant-bring-us-peace-maybe-a-red-cow-can/
The only way to stop real terrorism is to stop screwing around with other peoples' countries.
http://rt.com/usa/166060-usa-fbi-terrorism-prosecutions/

ALEX TALKS OF ISIS=NATO AUTHORISED[BUILT UP IN SYRIA/WEPENS FROM UKRANE..THE SAUDIES ARE RUNNING eL CIA-RDA..[second hour]..win win/[cause the puppet got too uppity/began istening to some locals/not the elites...3 years in the planning?

its the saudies/zionists..and pentagon[plenty gone]
http://tarpley.net/isis-blitz-run-by-cia-france-saudis-turkey-to-save-syrian-rebels-topple-maliki-isolate-iran/

HEAR 2 DE HOUR
http://rss.infowars.com/20140616_Mon_Alex.mp3
posted an expose on them a few days ago...BUT CANT FIND IT

SORRY..The Illuminati are tied directly..through/free-masonry..to the sun and Isis cults of ancient Egypt..

Killing was a mystical experience to this branch of the Mystery Schools...They not only maintained their control by murder and threats of murder,..they believed that the assassin could acquire the gnosis,..or soul energy from the victim.
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/sandy-hook-redux-obama-officials-confirm-that-it-was-a-drill-and-no-children-died_062014

This is the theory..behind the human and animal sacrifices of Satanists..throughout history..(and the ritual child abuse etc).

Satanists believe that sacrifices..release more of it than anything else...[Such are the dark and sordid machinations of the deluded souls..who think their gnosis accumulations..and illumination will give them some form of deity.or i..PRECIEVED/higher\degree-OF..Immortality. . .” (source)

That’s just a quick glimpse...
Research for yourself and learn much more...
http://rss.infowars.com/20140615_Sun_Alex.mp3
Massive casualties and deaths turn them on. As it does for those controlling them behind the scenes both here and inter-dimensionally.

You’ll find this energy vampirism throughout any esoteric studies on this subject, popularized by the Matrix movies where humans are considered energy “batteries” to be drained and utilized. That’s pretty much what they’re up to.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/

Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi – Leader of ISIS

By the way, as far a manipulating the Arab masses, the choice of the supposed leader’s name of these high financed and western trained pre-positioned rogue forces is Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi. This name couldn’t be any more incendiary.

The schism between Sunni and Shia Muslims lies in disputes over who would succeed Muhammad as leader of the faithful after his death in 632. The Shiites thought the prophet’s son-in-law and cousin should lead as caliph, particularly given his blood relationship to Muhammad. Their opponents, the Sunnis, thought Abu Bakr, one of Mohammad’s first converts, should be their leader.

The Shiites lost a series of wars for power in the early years of Islam and today are the clear minority in global Islam, making up about 15 percent of adherents. They are in the majority in Iraq and Iran. (source)

No mere coincidence there.
http://cecaust.com.au/main.asp?sub=global_warming&id=main.html
More, emphasis added:
http://tarpley.net/

All of this cleverly engineered, any way you look at it. http://www.thedailysheeple.com/the-isis-ploy-illuminati-sorcery-and-sacrifice_062014

http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/35385/Repudiate-the-Public-Debt-How-About-Corporate-Personhood-and-Monopoly-Central-Banking/

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/analysis/2014/06/09/Pope-Francis-brings-together-Imams-and-Rabbis-at-the-Vatican.html

http://www.redressonline.com/2014/06/materialism-and-misery-and-the-need-for-change/

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/09/credit-rating-agencies-took-bribes-for-higher-ratings.html

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/unsealed-documents-expose-morgan-stanley-forcing-rating-agencies-inflate-ratings

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304830104575172280848939898.html?mod=WSJ_Markets_MIDDLETopNews

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/the-generational-short-banks-wall-street-housing-and-luxury-retail-are-doomed_062014

Hi there ONE UNDER GOD...

In your previous thread, you mention Freemasonry Johan. What is it that you know is wrong with the Freemasons, other than a lot of unsubstantiated rumours about them ? Further, what is it they do exactly, and what is it they stand for ? Is it for good or evil or neither ?

A nation develops a state to protect its citizens from predation. If a state does so it can at least chalk up a justification for its existence. "Small government" libertarians are predators and wannabe predators who hope people won't notice that freedom of predators from restraint means tyranny for prey. It's not liberty for all that they seek but the sequestering of liberty by and for themselves. The key to getting hold that predatory liberty is to control government policies. Watch it being played out in the Budget arguments and the role of the IPA and like spokespeople for predators.

Jardine K. Jardine
one under god,
I personally think that we are on the brink of a 'mini' world war.
I believe that Israel, mentored by the US, will nuke Iraq and Iran.
The Arab league will rise up against Israel and be wiped out by the superior forces of the Jews and the US.
I think this will galvanize the Islamic cultures into world wide reaction which again will be defeated but not before India nukes Pakistan and Burma.
The direct link between Christianity, energy, munitions and medications via the intermediaries of the "Illuminati" and the world bank will prevail and the population growth of the world will be halted for a century.

Well, nuking those backward Islamic territories would be a good thing for the world. It would keep of lot of those terrorists from getting on boats and coming here to do their dirty work. Thankfully, Abbott and Morrison currently have them under control.

o sung wu,
Did not the Freemason movement come into existence as a rebuttal of the Pharaohs policy of entombing the builders of their tombs, on completion, to prevent outsiders gaining access knowledge to secrets taken to the grave by the Pharaohs?
Would not this movement have been the first "Trade Union"?

Hi there CHRISGAFF1000...

That's indeed an novel description of the origins of Freemasonry ? I never thought of it in that way before, so I suppose you're right essentially.

Many claim Freemasonry had it's genesis at the time of building King Solomon's temple in Mesopotamia. Whereas in reality, the movement of today isn't anywhere near as ancient as that. Freemasonry as we know it only goes back about three hundred years, with most of it's roots emanating in Scotland.

True there's some evidence of it's prior existence in Ireland and France, but I have little knowledge of that personally. Modern freemasonry is of course emblematic or symbolic of the ancient stonemasons who actually worked on King Solomon's temple. And you're quite right when you say they're almost a 'trade union' ! Consequently, because they were considered such elite craftsmen, both by the Kings and rulers of these ancient empires, as well as their own kind, they jealously guarded their secrets (trade secrets) from falling into the hands of those less qualified to carry out their fine works and traditions.

And it's also true, in order to protect those traditions, they devised and possessed many disguised and clandestine ways of communicating, often shrouded in allegory, employing secret words, signs, and symbols, all in order that they could pass safely through foreign and hostile lands, as they travelled throughout the known world, in order to build these great edifices to and for the rulers of these ancient empires.

Therefore, traditionally Freemasons today use a similar system of words and signs, also secret, for the purposes of recognising a fellow mason and provide succour and aid, should he need it. I hope this is of some assistance to you ?

Emperor Julian

"A nation develops a state to protect its citizens from predation."
You provide no evidence for this assertion which has no basis in historical fact.

The reason it's wrong is because "a nation" is not a decision-making entity. You are confusing youself by using an abstract aggregate collective concept to describe millions of people each with different aims. This fact invalidates your entire line of reasoning.

"If a state does so it can at least chalk up a justification for its existence."

Only in so far as it serves to protect its subjects from predation. But a state is by definition a property-expropriating and person-violating protector of person and property. To the extent that a state increases predation, for example stealing from A and giving to B which is what you're advocating, your own argument fails you.

""Small government" libertarians are predators and wannabe predators who hope people won't notice that freedom of predators from restraint means tyranny for prey."

People who engage in, or advocate, consensual transactions are by definition not predators, so it is both dishonest and stupid of you to say they are.

"It's not liberty for all that they seek but the sequestering of liberty by and for themselves."
You give no evidence or reason for this 1. mind-reading, 2. ad hominem, 3, factually false statement.

Thus you have not shown any reason why the violent predation that you advocate is is any different morally from ISIS. All you've done is show that statism can't be defended without descending immediately into fallacies and intellectual dishonesty.

Jardine, what utter rubbish you write. You are a slave to your political correctness.

Of course nations protect citizens from predation. Nations are a collective of people. People form nations. When the nation is threatened, the people of the nation defend the nation. You are so brainwashed by leftie rhetoric that you can't remotely see this basic fact.

Let ISIS and all the other factions get on with writing their own history; we should do nought about them until they stray into our backyard.

Hi there IS MISE...

I totally agree with you. We here in OZ have got to learn to mind our own business.

We have several hundred ISIS extremists living in Australia; our own back yard. What do we do with them? If ISIS controls Iraq then it controls 4% of the Worlds Oil supply and that will affect our energy supply.

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=isis+agency+creation&
has interesting info..

http://investmentwatchblog.com/isis-funded-by-u-s-to-expand-military-industrial-complex/

but as expected..much other stuff
http://www.corbettreport.com/charlie-wilsons-war-flnwo-16/
http://www.blacklistednews.com/THIS_IS_NOT_GOING_AS_PLANNED%3A_IRAQ_PRIME_MINISTER_DEFIES_US%2C_ACCUSES_SAUDI_ARABIA_OF_%E2%80%9CGENOCIDE%E2%80%9D/36015/0/0/0/Y/M.html

No matter how many personnel and weapons we are going to throw at Iraq (and that number of 275 troops to guard the US embassy is only the proverbial camel's nose under the tent), there is no amount of external force which can resolve the internal Shiite/Sunni conflict, save the Iraqi people themselves.

There has to be an internal dialogue and reconciliation between both groups to get the violence to stop.

However, the hugely autocratic and tone-deaf national Shiite leadership of the Al-Maliki government (the US-sponsored puppet), will do everything in their power to stop that from happening, including calls for the US government to bomb their own citizens.

Before the invasion, occupation, and de-Baathification in Iraq, there was no problem between the Sunni and Shiite Muslims in this country, nor were their problems for the Christian members of that society.

The explosive popular revolution in Iraq can be laid squarely at the feet of the preceding, and current, administrations. In both administrations, US foreign policy regarding Iraq can only be characterized as an epic failure.

the fruit of war-mongering at THE PUB
LEAVING THE MRS AND KIDS AT HOME
http://secure.flickr.com/search?q=post+industrial+landscapes


http://archer.wikia.com/wiki/ISIS

The International Secret Intelligence Service (ISIS)
is the workplace of the main characters of Archer.[a creative fiction/called poisoning the well.]

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110421211523/archer/images/thumb/f/fd/ISIS_Logo.jpg/250px-ISIS_Logo.jpg

http://www.vox.com/2014/6/12/5803416/isis-one-sentence-iraqi-army
Second, sectarianism is a huge problem even inside the professional Iraqi military. The Iraqi government, and a majority of Iraqis, are Shia Muslims. ISIS is Sunni. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has treated the Sunni minority very badly, which is one of the most important reasons ISIS has grown as powerful as it has. The Iraqi army has both Sunni and Shia soldiers.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/days-mosul-fell-iraqis-start-returning-24144028
And it looks like sectarianism is severely hampering the army's response to the crisis. "It appears that the Iraqi Army is cleaving along sectarian lines," Jason Lyall, a Yale University expert on insurgency, told me. "The willingness of Sunni soldiers to fight to retake Mosul appears limited."
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/iraq-turmoil/life-under-isis-iraqis-return-mosul-seeing-militants-safer-bet-n131856
This makes some sense out of the Mosul rout: some Sunni Muslims don't really want to fight other Sunnis in the name of a government that oppresses them.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-captured-iraqi-city-of-mosul-residents-welcome-isis/

http://www.intellihub.com/become-radical-reactionary-2/
WHAT WE ARE NOT TOLD..[13 MINUTES]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey9tExYbjm8

SAUDI EXPECTORATION
http://thetruthshallsetyoufree.net/2014/06/18/saudi-warns-of-civil-war-in-iraq/

US FOREIGN POLICY FLOW CHART
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-17/us-foreign-policy-1-handy-flow-chart

The heart of JKJ’s confusion is his social engineering concept that human beings are just random non-collections in constant Brownian motion, unable to progress to any stages of organisation without an existing high command to direct them. No high command, no nation comes into existence. The true picture is that tribes form and operate collectively. If they’re smart they link with other tribes and the smartest coalesce into nations. Sensing the need for organisation they accept ruling groups and that means a state. Just a long-winded way of saying what I said before. More long-winded joining of dots, people accept a drastic loss of their individual autonomy but at times demand and win systems of law that bind both the rulers and the ruled. This is because ruling groups have power interests of their own counter to the interests of those they rule, and the ruled need to limit the power of the rulers. The basis of their acceptance is that the rulers provide organisation which includes defence against predation, internal and external. It’s a shifting equilibrium and its general lines are replicated in physiology, biology, chemistry, physics and everything up to cosmology.

And yes there is predation in a community, not just voluntary interactions and deals between free autonomous individuals. That’s why we have laws (enforced by the state). We have stepped levels of development and we recognise the development of civilised nations to be vastly superior (in the borderless individual autonomy of their citizens that they protect) to more primitive arrangement which allows predators (including the rulers) to sequester the autonomy which every individual and the health of the society has come to value and require. Predators and wannabe predators generally rail against the state’s power not because it’s predatory but because they are and wish their wings to remain unclipped.

PRE-EMpTIVE/NOTE\QUOTE..<<.The heart of JKJ’s confusion..is his social engineering concept....that human beings are just..random* non-collections..*>>

OH DEAR..COLLECTIONS[AS OPPOSED TO ACCUMULATION/OR XORRECTION\DISPENSING/DISTRIBUTING...[compounded by THE WORD NON*..AS THE PRO*..assUmpt..<<,,in constant Brownian motion,..unable to progress*..>>

who best measures progresssion?
[them gaining?../yet..not all gain]..ITS SO MUCH so final[grandious over assumpt?.
..<<..to any stages of organisation..without an existing high command to direct them.>>

huge/asumpt/non\mis-presumpt-ION?


<<..No high command,..no nation comes into existence.>>

not so..the people can make pact/to act-together]..sans a scape goat..or masterpolicing the agreement...[constitution..that warrents the authority..into license/that empowers\rather than creates a master race[the people judge the peer]..authority [authorization acts/then society validates or rejects the constitutionally-warrented act.

<<..The true picture is that tribes form and operate collectively.>>

thats absolutly/correct..the hunter-hunts/shares his spoil
the mother/feeds\the future..the father secures the present[and us oLDIES LIVE IN THE PAST]

<>>If they’re smart they link..with other tribes and the smartest coalesce into nations..>>

but in doing this surrender wealth and treasure for security
but if each JUST managed themself/how easy would the 'mods'-jobs..be?

<<>>Sensing the need for organisation..>>

some coluded to make the leaders/themselves]
so they unite inTO OTHER ALLIANCE/BOTH PRECEEDANT AND STRANGER THAN THE FOLLOWING..of the..*new RICHER.MORE\POWERFUL*-FAMOUS-PRETTY/peers

<<..they accept ruling groups and that means a state.>>
THE STATE..;..[ONlY CONTROLS/ITS OWN CREATIONS/
[ACTs/rules-regs/licencing etc]..

IT DOES THis by creating a personum..[called]..a person/UNDER THE ACT]..its legally you/B..ut only/under..the act\on paper..ONLY..on paper.

[ie..satanS REALM..exists..only..On PAPER]..

we..put\our signature[sig*nature]..uPON A DOCUMENT/GIVING THE WORDS ON IT legal but unlawful]...Author*-ITY...[the mark*/of\beast]

of course/the oppisite of paper-working/oppression is anarchy
[no governance/free]..native..ab-origonal..[or if sans culture..;.indigenous]..trees/plants..can be indigenous;to the area.

but no class=no cultrure

THESE..paper-men\..LEGAL-PERSONS../under-the act..HAVE BEEN GIVEN SPECIAL POWERS/permissions\licence;under the act/the persons\*BOUND BY THE ACT/..*ARE only/those created*../under the act

ie the paper/they created
not the flesh/blood being..[a person is created/by begging [apply means beg]..the law reads/a begger is presumed\to know for what he 'negs'[app-lies..4]

<<./Just a long-winded way of saying..what I said before.>>

me/too

WHY?.<<..people accept a drastic loss..of their individual autonomy but/at times demand and win systems of law that bind both the rulers and the ruled.>>

ANYTHING CRERATED/BY\THE ACT/STANDS UNDER [UNDERSTANDS]..THE ACT[IE REMAINS SUBSERVIENT/TO\UNDER/..'IT'...not/the people/IE ONLY\THE OTHER/ACTS[the asct\says/e;ect/vote\the..act..defines/controls/all;under\the/act..its all about standing.

i/have refuted\and been denied/acces to social contract/sans accepting unfair terms[like/this latest-one/I RECALL\THE ADVERTS/BUT..NOT MEDIA EXPLAINING/nor complaining.

SE IF YOU GOT SUPER..complusorilly/they take out insurance prenium..for extra's..these extras are attached to all super*[uness we SPECIFICLY*..opt out..[so if this is the first..you heard-their stealing it from your COMPLUSORY super

govt state/etc
CANNOT COMPEL US INTO COMMERCE
yet/third party/med insurance/tax on smokes..its endless
[most to bailout the busted insurance industry/and build up big cash funds they can APPROPRIATE[LIKE BILL CLINTON TOO THE PENSIONS/LEFT AN IOU..[WHAT?..YOU DIDNT KNOW..lol..ignorance of the law is no excuse bluey..SLUSH FUNDS MATE/BY WHAT RIGHT?

Lester1

“Of course nations protect citizens from predation. Nations are a collective of people. People form nations. When the nation is threatened, the people of the nation defend the nation.”

I never said they didn’t. You are confusing nations with states.

The point is, states don’t form because all their subjects agree to fund and obey them. All states get their revenue from a legal monopoly of using force to get the funds –whether or not you consent is entirely irrelevant. And the outputs of states – “policy” – is equally a coercion-based and non-consensual product.

This is what needs to be come to terms with, and it is not solved by merely assuming the issues away.

First time anyone’s accused me of being left wing by the way.

EmperorJulian
“The true picture is that tribes form and operate collectively.”

They don’t *form* collectively, they form from reproduction LOL.

And what does “operate collectively” mean.? If you mean they own or work the means of production in common, you’re wrong, simple as that. They may; or they may not.

“If they’re smart they link with other tribes and the smartest coalesce into nations. Sensing the need for organisation they accept ruling groups and that means a state.”

Only problem is your theory is completely unhistorical. You’re confusing the group as a whole, with the minority in it who claim a legal monopoly of aggression.

States don’t come about by some kind of contract between all or each of its members. There is no example in the history of the world of a state coming about in this way. It's pure fiction.

They come about from the strongest armed group over-awing all the competition, until it can take over the commanding heights of society and dictate terms of obedience and privilege; or from succession from such an armed group. Your identification of state with society has no basis in fact; you’re confusing A with not-A.

(cont.)

“And yes there is predation in a community, not just voluntary interactions and deals between free autonomous individuals. That’s why we have laws (enforced by the state).

You’re moving in a circle. You can’t just assume that the state’s input and outputs are all voluntary, because it’s flatly incorrect, and not even states claim that. Look up the definition of tax.

What you’re ignoring and neglecting is this. Clearly both states and individuals *can* act both consensually and coercively. But *only* the state has a legal monopoly of aggression. Therefore your presumption that the function of the state is to retard predation is exactly back-the-front. You are neglecting the obvious possibility that a monopoly of property expropriation based on physical coercion will be used to expropriate property based on coercion.

All you’re doing is confusing consensual with non-consensual transactions. When you look on consensual transactions, you’re calling them “predation”, and when you look on coerced expropriations, you call it “protection from predation”.

In any event, you have not made any dent in my remarkably fine thesis about ISIS as an incipient state. According to your theory, ISIS is just protecting all those people they’re shooting from the dreadful predation that would result if they preferred consensual transactions!

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http://investmentwatchblog.com/open-borders-homeland-paying-for-illegals-to-be-escorted-into-usa-scabies-chicken-pox-spread-hundreds-arrive-by-the-hour/

AS ITS allways fun

First identified in the 1930s by an Israeli psychiatrist, Jerusalem Syndrome describes a cluster of psychotic symptoms that afflicts some visitors to the Holy Land .

The syndrome has various manifestations. Tourists in Jesus’ hometown believe they hear the voice of God. Other victims think they are God or the reincarnation of saints and archangels. The onset of these delusions often occurs soon after pilgrims arrive in the city that gives the syndrome its name.

A 1998 Israeli documentary about Jerusalem Syndrome featured a particularly disturbing patient who thought he was the Archangel Michael and wore a long beard, a white robe, and feathered wings.

im/not sure about you/BUT\..<<..THE FEATHERD WINGS..>>..
THAT SORT OF REFUTES THE ACCUSATION....

anyhow religiouS MANIA,..aside..
lets set frat =..aside prats DERIDE.

Errr...the nation is a European concept, there are no nations besides the European ones and tribes didn't coalesce into nations they were formed from principalities and kingdoms.
The only real nation in the middle east is Israel, which is an outlier and a construct of European powers, what we see in ISIS and it's affiliates is extreme anti Nationalism.
Why do you guys think Islam is now part of the Left/Green/Christian alliance in this country? Islam is faith based,anti nationalist, socially conservative and rigidly collectivist, it slots right in with the other groups.

DAMM POST/LIMITS\AT THE OTHER THREAD
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16422&page=12
THEY DELIBERATLY/PICK;ARTICLES/FOR\LIMITATIPNS
DAMM CAPS

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2014/07/03/timely-posters-of-the-day/ http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2014/07/03/rabbi-calls-for-more-bloodshed-via-facbook/ Back in 800 AD, a bunch of Central Asian Khazars converted to Judaism, and now because they have adopted the religion of the ancient Hebrews claim a higher right to the lands of Palestine than the Palestinians who have been there for two thousand years.

This article points out the silliness of that claim! http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/tiredfingers.php EXAMPLES OF HATE SPEECH BY ISRAEL AGAINST PALESTINE
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/zionists-heightens-blumenthal.html http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/palestinians.php

"We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupied territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. http://rinf.com/alt-news/war-terrorism/cia-terrorism-brought-home/ Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one - progressive, liberal - in Israel; and the other - cruel, injurious - in the occupied territories. http://rinf.com/alt-news/war-terrorism/israel-preparing-new-military-offensive-gaza/ In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day."
(Michael Ben-Yair, 3 March 2002) (emphasis added) http://rinf.com/alt-news/war-terrorism/activists-mobilize-palestinians-face-israeli-onslaught/ ISRAEL & PALESTINE: THE MAPS TELL THE TRUE STORY
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html

The truth is that far from being the poor victim it likes to portray itself as, Israel is in fact the most aggressive and belligerent nation in the region, having invaded pretty much everyone it shares a border with.

The PReceeding maps show just who is wiping who off of thE/MAP

00OOPs
http://investmentwatchblog.com/israel-israeli-military-mobilizes-around-gaza-strip-for-possible-all-out-offensive-jul-04-2014/
PS;......US ‘profoundly troubled’
by brutal beating of Palestine teen
who turned out to be American.After a massive social media campaign exploded in cyber space decrying the actions and hypocrisy of Israeli authorities.
http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/us-profoundly-troubled-brutal-beating-palestine-teen-turned-american/

http://rt.com/usa/170692-us-palestinian-israel-brutal-beating/
The US has condemned the beating and detention of a 15-year-old Palestinian-American by Israeli police after a massive social media campaign exploded in cyber space They can murder our sailors and Marines.They can run over American women with bulldozers. They can kill over 3,000 Americans on 911 and our government,our President,Congress and military do nothing but suckup to these crooks!

The US has condemned the beating and detention of a 15-year-old Palestinian-American by Israeli police after a massive social media campaign exploded in cyber space decrying the actions and hypocrisy of Israeli authorities.

“We can confirm that Tarek Khdeir, an American citizen, is being held by Israeli authorities in Jerusalem. [

decrying the actions and hypocrisy of Israeli authorities.