As a human being, and a male, I cringe whenever I think how the main stream religions disrespect women, and children for that matter. They are utterly and totally irrational man dominated organisations which show scant regard for women. With the male dominated hierarchical structure of religions on earth, one would have to believe heaven too must be male dominated, with every position of authority from the head honcho to the third class dunny cleaner being the exclusive domain of men, God is a man! Well so the macho religious would have us believe.
Can anyone point to a mainstream earthly religion where women hold any position of real authority, have any real input in decision making, have any real equality within the organisation, or are treated in any other way than being disrespected second class citizens. I am a male and can't bring myself to be part of any earthly religion, even if they are nothing but a boys club. Why would any woman ever contemplate joining such disrespectful chauvinistic institutions, it defies belief.

Hi Paul,

Thank you for bringing the discussion back to the mistreatment of women, you may have partly redeemed some of the Left by your courageous words, if only by being so exceptional.

Yes indeed, almost by definition (since religions are expressions of power-holders) religious theory and practice almost invariably, one way or another, not only demeans women but attempts by a multitude of justifications to keep women firmly in a subordinate place. Christianity is pretty bad, but surely Islam takes the cake, with its stoning of women for supposed adultery, its hanging of women for supposed apostasy (sorry to bring that up, Porrit), the power of men to marry up to four women, and divorce them with a simple "I divorce you", the power of live and death of men over their own mothers, the fact that women inherit far less than their brothers or even their sons - not to mention the vile organisations, such as that currently murdering thousands of people (hundreds this week alone) in Nigeria in the name, quite explicitly, of stopping women from gaining any education (and, as they would be fully aware, of gaining any semblance of power). And so much more. And what does the left say about Boko Haram ? Sorry, what was that ? Hello ? Hello ?

In short, Islam is barely any more civilized, or friendly to women, that backward Christianity was five hundred years ago. Pity the women in Muslim countries who still have five hundred years (or more, if the idiot left has its way) to wait.

And don't get me started on Aztec virgin sacrifice.

Joe

Loudmouth (appropriate name) asks, "And what does the left say about Boko Haram? Sorry, what was that? Hello? hello?".

Here's what it says:

http://tanyaplibersek.com/2014/05/speech-at-the-welcome-reception-for-australian-american-leadership-dialogue-young-leadership-dialogue/

and

http://unaa.org.au/un-lists-boko-haram-as-a-terrorist-organisation.html

and again

http://socialistpartyofnigeria.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/killings-of-students-by-boko-haram-in.html

and yet again

http://www.socialistworld.net/doc/5702

and even more

http://time.com/108025/nigeria-chad-boko-haram-american-troops-obama/

and even more yet again
http://globalresearch.ca/boko-haram-and-the-wests-intervention-in-nigeria/5383236

and ditto
http://socialismtoday.org/169/nigeria.html

There's literally *MILLIONS* of remarks, comments and actions from the left all over the world.

Loudmouth, all you have to do is open your eyes, and emerge from your "Fortress Australia" and *LOOK*. But you won't. Why? You're too busy worshiping your Trinity ... thy Father Andrew Bolt, His only begotten Son Tax'Em Tony and thy Holy Ghost Alan Jones, and you're too busy indoctrinating yourself with your Bible.... The Holy Daily Telegraph.

Loudmouth, believe it or not there's a big world out there, and believe it or not education and knowledge is actually good for you. I hope that helps.

DYSLECTIC-JOHN/QUOTe..<<..(1.On page 7 I first brought up Catholicism pedophilia, pointing out>>

thats called trolling[the topic is how come the SILENCE
[RE SOME VERY IMPORTANT ADVISER/MEDIA*TOR\PUPPET MEISTER..RUNNINg tony[AS INSTALLED..INTO CLEVES MIND SOMEHOW DURING THE LUNCH CONVERSATION WITH THE BANKER ATHE TREASURY OFFICIAL..ETC

ie off topic troll

<<..that some people have remained silent on the issue.>>
by what right do yoU DEMAND WE REply/your off-topic troll?

<<>.In his reply on page 8,..Runner then>>

lol..wait for this*;]

<<>.defended Catholicism pedophilia
by saying not ONE WORD of criticism about this church pedophilia,>>

oh dear.saying nuthing means your guilty..of not saying critizism..about church*pediphilia and then "pointing" in order to deflect my criticism of Catholicism pedophilia. Runner started "pointing" by saying that pedophilia was not reported by "luwies" within the ABC and BBC about "some of their own".>>>

who..boy slow down
the error was your presuming we need reply your freaking off topic troll[then worse]..casting guilt..upon no reply?..[guilt by avoidence/non assosiation>

grow up child..[trolls get ignored]..he ignored your troll
then named shamed/blamed..your own minds perversions

still do

<<..Runner then..>>

AFTER OFF-TOPIC/TROLL PRODING..<<began "pointing" at the "left" saying..that they don't agree with each other that pedophilia is wrong...>>

they dont/please..go into the archives
recall them photos of that 11 year old child/we are all divided on if thats pedophilia[ie/pedophillia means child LOVER..,[LOVES CHILDREN]..SO OF COURSE IF YOU WANNA SEE PICtURES OF NAKID 11 YEAR OLDS THEIR PEDOPHILE=[CHILD LOVER]

you love kids too right no jo

mojo..moves it on

DYSLECTIC-JOHNa..aha../QUOTe..<<..<<>.Runner then "pointed" at people..who think child porn is art. Runner then "pointed" at me asking where I got my morals from.>>

ITS OK TO LOVE KIDS[WE ARE AL PEDOPHILES
but its wrong to..touch/them..thats peversion...beyond pedophile..[loves kids][THUS THESE BECOME HAS SEX WITH KIDS..\0r/..BIG*GasSFATAS-SCUNTUScumm]

we know them by their works
thats that one step too far/its a huge accusatrion to throw arround untuscumm..but back to your quote

<<>...Runner was doing ALL he could..in the reply
to *NOT* criticize Catholicism or Christianity..>>

they too..are child lovers
but hate the name pedophile/cause they know the lie it hides[satanic lie]..but truth be told..inthink hes jewish or muslim[so respect..is good//yet you turn it to sss hit/following off your troll.

let the dead tend the dead..let lovers love
let haters hate/let back biters be bitten back

<<>>and "their" pedophiles
and handling of the matters..His main intent..>>

stop telling me..what he.. presumes
i know the man/you only think you know.a type.

you presume..'his main intent..<<>>was to "point",
in order to..defend Christianity.>>[\not.offend/?]

he is respectfull..of all religions
i allways thought he was musLIM/BUT THERE YA GO

WE assUme=\thus/=..we
make an = ASS..out of..u.and me

<<..In his reply he was not the least bit interested in expressing any concern whatsoever for the victims.>>

he has many/times raised the mURDER OF millions..he hates abordtionists [maybe worse than pedophiles;proper]

any other forum..where you insult
a respected elder poster like that would see your id disappear

but you still got that..cute puppy innocence..babby smell..
so we wipe the poop from ya rug..and shrug..

there but for olo/arte i..
[eye ate..aye..UNTO THE I-Tie]..guides advise your from italie

@ Poirot,

<<You appear to be equating the debate on various issues and public personalities…>>

ROFLMAO
There is HNOOOOOO way that any of your posting activities in relation to the Abbott govt -- and for that matter, most other threads--could possibly be misconstrued as “debate” . It is more in the way of a hysterical rant...

More akin to this [picture an old red hen scratching up the veggy patch]:
Lookie,lookie , here’s something I cherry-picked squawk squawk
And see here's some more squawk, squawk... scratch, scratch.

<<[how does criticising the "US" stack up to abusing a "fellow poster"?>>
You have many times implied that those who support the US/US policies have blood on their hands.

<<- and no wonder you step forward to defend runner >>
Yes Runner Is a good bloke.
I don’t always agree with everything he says but I take exception to two obNHOjious bullies beating up on him.

Hey Poirot, just on another issue. I remember you told us you were going into Twitter bigtime. Would you care to tell us your twitter handle?

..................................
@obNHOJious

<< "And what does the left say about Boko Haram?>>
obNHOJious gives us a grab bag of links including -- the UN (glad he owns-up it’s lefty!) and Time magazine (another lefty?).

But his links to the “Socialist” sources are most telling
1) Socialistworldnet , boldly headed “Stop violence of Boko Haram” Starts off with:
“Mr President [then waffles-on awhile about sister socialist fraternity crap] before saying “ I condemn the violence of Boko Haram" …BUT the next two dozen lines is about the struggle against capitalism!

Likewise, the link to Global Research – it is largely about the need to “defeat globalised capitalism” and have a "socialism revolution"

Little wonder that when the Ayatollahs came to the fore in Iran the Left,much to their own great cost, formed and alliance with the Islamists because it saw capitalism as the real enemy.