Producer,
Not really it is much more vicious and indeed fraudulent.
I am not 100% for the government as on my pet subject they have been
totally stupid. However we could never go back to that disaster that
was the Labour governments. I am at a loss to know how we can get the
government to act for the future. It used to be that we had ten years
to get our act together, but we have wasted six years and everything is
firming up for 2017.
As I said earlier that loud sucking noise is the last of the milkshake
going up the straw.

Barnaby Joyce is the only one in the government that knows what the
situation is on fuel but he has been shut up on it.
The Labour govt suppressed the BIT&R report and had it taken off the
government web site the next morning, but a journalist at Le Monde in
Paris saw it and downloaded it during the night.
That is how we know that the government was well aware but did nothing
about it.
The Liberal government also knows and I gave a copy to a member but
got the usual blank glazed stare.
Not even the NRMA report stirs them up.
In reality if nothing is done people will probably starve before
they can fix it when the crunch occurs.

I am not into conspiracy theories, but cannot be but suspicious that
there is aconnection between the fuel problem and the establishment
of the IMF/G20 Financial Stability Board signed up to by Wayne Swan
in February 2013 at St Petersburg.

Oh well, not to worry, nothing I can do about it.

trapdiocan,
Correct me if I am wrong but it seems you have a desire for things to return to the way they were under the Labor banner.
Would you prefer we simply keep borrowing our way into the future?

No I do not but I believe you can correct our problems without destroying our Social Justice system in the process !! Tony Abbott's Political Idol is non other than Margaret Thatcher "The Iron Lady" Her Legacy pulled apart the social justice system in England and is still up until today despised by many !As I said I have always have been a swinging voter but I despise Tony Abbott's treatment of the Australian people ! My vote goes to whoever appears to me will give Australia what it needs at that particular moment in time, Pre-Election lies and deception inherently destroy the trust that voters put in them ! If you are a stalwart Labor/Liberal voter then that may be fine but when you are a swinging voter it matters and it matters a lot ! I do not see how no matter how much you like anything say If you love apples would you still eat a rotten one ? Or would you throw it out and wait till you get a better one ? remember it still means you love Apples and will keep on eating them in the long run but at least if you reject a bad one it shows you still have some discernment about how far your obsession will allow you to go ! You do not have to partake of Abbott just because you are a loyal Liberal, you can simply wait for a better one to come along I am not hamstrung like you, I choose what I feel is the best for that moment in time then I vote ! I certainly dislike the attack on the university protesters as they have every right o show their dissatisfaction of Abbott's policies,considering its their future in jeopardy ! And also considering that Abbott was renown for being a very virulent University protester in his time when he was at university both in Australia and also in England ! The pot calling the kettle black me thinks ! But then again that is tony allover,Different strokes for different folks !

trappus-monk/quote..<<>.The pot calling the kettle black me thinks ! But then again that is tony allover,>>

thats funny/i read that tony roll-over
roll-over tony

<<..Different strokes for different folks !>>

eightee bucks-parrable..ignored.[im on strike].

vote none of the above
[this indicates govt is disolved
and all state debts revert to the state

its my idea of a non confidance motion/by the voters.

none/of\the below..works too
because they are low ,lifes/but both mean/this level of govt is sacked.

hand over the books to your next level /of\govt..and wait for your pension/plan...amd maybe expulsion..or eternal bannishment..installed into a high tax state-mate.

you think you got budget/..'problems'
you now think fixed..[first they fix//roll=over tony
phony toney as fake as a two dollsr bill...who has been betrayed/by bankers..[and if he goes another banker steps in]

this is global collusion/to steal from the people/by unfair unrepresentaded taxation/burdens that thrust us intio enslavement..to the bankers...landless serfs/sharecropping the masters fields/factories jails and war

in the end/they could keep even that worth fightiong over

<<..The pot calling the kettle black me thinks ! But then again that is tony allover,Different strokes for different folks !>>

one strike their gone
vote none of the abouve
/slash-it..one way\slash it the other
none of the above..or rather none of these down under.

we will take b ack our looted asset/but you retain your income flow
and use of up to two..but who pays the rent/gets the bed.

Hasbeen – You come across as a narcissistic, misogynistic fundamentalist Muslim that get his jollies from driving cars fast. I’m sure you are none of these, with the exception of the fast cars and perhaps a bit narcissistic and maybe even a bit misogynistic! By the way what religious franchise do you subscribe to?

I would suggest that your opposition to a proportional system might have more to do with the fact that at some point they had or still have female leaders. Your so called “ridiculous women” was Helen Clark. She was and is far from ridiculous, which is more than you can say for the Rabbott.

You said << A proportional system allows a small segment of the vote to gain the balance of power>>

Might I suggest the reverse is the case? A proportional system does not give majority power to a minority which is the case we currently have. The proportional system is less adversarial as it is very difficult to get a majority. This encourages haggling and compromise, not the like it or lump it policy we are exposed to from both sides of our current system.

I hope you are sitting Hasbeen. I agree providing we had a proportional representation in the House of Representatives the senate would be redundant. I would go further and get rid of state governments, which would be another reason to get rid of the senate. Proportional local and federal governments would be better than the four tier system we currently have.

Bazz – Surely you must agree irrespective of anyone’s individual view, that voters at the very least deserve the politicians they voted for. A proportional system delivers this and the current system does not.

Trapdiocan – No matter how you swing and who you vote for the current system will not allow your vote to have any weight. Being a swinging voter is a bit like pissing your pants. The warm feeling quickly disappears and you are left wet and cold. I believe the system is the thing we have to change

How can you protect fraud no matter what party you vote for. This is not what was voted for. This govt; can't survive because the fraudulent lies that Abbott told.
The word was out that Abbott was a dismembered figure from Howard, now Howard wants nothing to do with him.
Pushing 80 billion on to the states with out discussion is unbelievable.
The budget will never be settled with that hanging over their head.
I believe the only way is to block supply, and vote.