Proportional representation is an equally bad system. It can easily be manipulated, corrupted, misrepresented and end up just as unrepresentative, biased and "crony" driven as the current system.

If the budget was so bad why does the ABC and other media outlets need to drag in highly paid relatives and Rudd campaigners and paint them as poor and under priviliged. No apologies once exposed just typical socialist propaganda. Notice no one answered Bazz about when students need to for their fees. Oh it feels so good playing the victim card. Everyone owes Me Me Me.

Nhoj – You said

<<Proportional representation is an equally bad system. It can easily be manipulated, corrupted, misrepresented and end up just as unrepresentative, biased and "crony" driven as the current system.>>

That’s a very big bone with no meat. No system is perfect and we must be forever vigilant.

Please explain how getting those for whom you vote is equally bad as a system that guarantees a misrepresentative minority government with majority power

Don't be silly 579.

Producer, proportional representation as can been seen in the senate
sounds fine in theory but produces unworkable results.
Preferential voting makes sure that the candidate that the most DO NOT
want does not get elected.
First past the post means with more than two candidates that almost
certainly someone gets elected that the majority DO NOT want.

Too much Hate Abbott, Hate Abbott, Hate Abbott going on here.
Any more photoshopped pictures of Abbott around today or poor working
girls complaining how tough life is on radio and then getting into
their party funded cars.

Gawd you whingers are sick.
Not a constructive criticism among the lot of you !

Bazz – How wrong you are. It is the preferential component of the senate voting system that corrupts the process. It allows a party with a very small proportion of the vote to gain a seat. It is further corrupted due to the variation in population in the states and territories. The Senate voting system is not proportional.

For a working proportional system you need to look at NZ and Germany.

I do agree broadly with you overview of preferential and FPP.

I don’t cheer for any team but you got to admit the Rabbott is getting exactly what he dished out in opposition.

A proportional system allows a small segment of the vote to gain the balance of power.

A really dreadful system. Just look at Tasmania, a basket case bludging of the rest of Oz, & refusing to harvest their own wealth.

Or New Zealand, where it gave power to that ridiculous woman, what ever her name was.

Or Germany where another foolish conglomeration have nearly destroyed their economy with a ridiculous policy of alternative power.

What we need to do is get rid of the senate, & allow elected governments govern. With no senate, if they get it wrong it will show much more quickly, & they will be chucked out more quickly.

The only thing wrong with this budget is it only went about a quarter as far as it should, in fixing Labors mess.