Dear Hasbeen,

Hells bells mate I have never pictured you as being someone who would so willingly chomp on this amount of bulldust but here you are gorging your self.

Your original post contained the heading “Climate Science Consensus: Last 60 Years of Global Warming Below Earlier Periods, Experts Say”. Of course as flagged by Bugsy this was from a climate sceptic's blog run by one Viv Forbes a character who we are discussing on another thread. So who are these so called experts? Why none other than Viv Forbes himself who is a geologist with no climate qualifications.

Nobody else is claiming what he is for the data. Just go have a gander yourself, look at the years he picked and the fact the 1893 was the warmest year in the decade surrounding it and the 1953 figure was the warmest in the decade surrounding it.

He has sucked you in mate and you have fallen for it hook, line and bloody sinker.

Now to the graph posted on JoNova's blog. You do realise that this was not “Hadley Global Temperature Graph with trends by none less than Phil Jones” as you claimed but rather JoNova's graph of some areas of the temperature record Jones was asked to comment on in an interview. But I'm glad you were able to seemingly hold up Mr Jones as an expert, this is what he said later in the interview;

E - How confident are you that warming has taken place and that humans are mainly responsible?
“I'm 100% confident that the climate has warmed. As to the second question, I would go along with IPCC Chapter 9 - there's evidence that most of the warming since the 1950s is due to human activity.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8511670.stm

You don't have to agree with AGW but Forbes and Nova are shovelling this crap out at you by the bucketfull and you are lapping it up then regurgitating it here. Where on earth has your bulldust detector gone?

SteeleRedux and others, I don't think there is any value in trying to carry on a rational debate with Hasbeen about climate change. Like the vast majority of skeptics, Hasbeen's view is not based on scientific evidence, but rather philosophically based on the belief that climate change science is some kind of 'lefty conspiracy'. There is a rational amongst skeptics that climate change science is an attack on free enterprise and western values by those who wish to subvert society. To justify their belief, skeptics will clutch at any little bit of "good evidence" to support their line of skepticism.
In the 1950's an 60's at the beginning of the anti smoking debate, there was an element within the pro smoking lobby that actually seen the anti smoking side as being in some way 'Un-American', therefore a subversive element to be resisted. To this end the pro side often wheeled out junk evidence to prove smoking was good for you, or at the very least that there was no evidence that smoking was bad for you. By today's standards such thinking would be seen as laughable, but in the context of the times it was seen as perfectly reasonable. Maybe one day people will look back at the 2000's and view the debate on climate change as we view the debate on smoking as it was 50 years ago.

my lord hasbeen..HOW TYPICAL/THE MANY RESPONSES
YOU PRESENT INFO..but the info is ignored as they play the man

<<>.Hasbeen, post something worth reading, rather that your own "scientific" annalists. The warmists, what are they, so kind of hot communists.>>..[BY ONE WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER]

then pure deneyalism
..<<..no matter what Hasbeen says don't count.>>
[the dont mention the war facts brigade]..then/what seems like dispariging advice..by the numbers guy

<,..public service infrastructure would be resistant to change because of their “vested interests” in the status quo.>>

LEST WE FORGET..THESE SAME 'PUBLIC SERVANTS BEEN GIVING LONG TERM CONTRACTS TO BUY SOLAR/WIND POWER BACK AT 3 TIMES THE GOING RATE/BEFORE SETTING OFF TO DOUBLE THE PRICE OF POWER DELIVERY/GOLD PLATING SUBSIDIES..yep blame the bureaucracy

name-call blame shame

anyhow the long list of play the man/reject the facts go on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy

simply..PUT..I DECIDED NOT TO GET INVOLVED IN YET ANOTHER CARBON TAX ATTACK..by the hit sQUAD NO DOUDT GETTING A SHARE OF THE SOLAR BUYBACK SCEMES

yet we are the ones name called
an endless list of proof of lies ignored/guilt is a shamefull thing

need i quote bac to you mob..the nice things you say?
do i need trump out yet again the extensive list of lies sexing up the numbers and the lie of concensus[what has made good people do bad things

someone list the name deniers/smokers yep nothing they wont say
to make hasneens facts go away..but i hate how its so many against one

the ignoring of facts reveales closed minds
closed biased minds reveal tHEY GOT NO PROOF OF CONCEPT..EXCEPT REPEATED NAME CALlING

PLEASE FOLKS..READ YOUR OWN WORDS
JUST FOR ONCE..STOP AND THINK..just like the smoking lobby in their day[is the greenie gobal warming today]..then the moNEY lied ..today they decry and lie and namecall..but it boils down To money/..follow the money..the money buys the research..the money buys the spin..the money folks

FOLLOW THE MONEY..big..money wanted smokers
Big money..TODAY..[ge wants govt subsidy..to build the world ALL OVER AGAIN

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16076&page=0

yesTERDAYS..big money/special inytrest/lobby..
THEY NEEDED SMOKERS TO BELIEVE IT WAS SAFE..TO PROTECT AN INCOME STREAM

TODAYS BIG MONey needs a carbon credit..so they hype btribed their way..into what we are seeING RIGHT HERE ON THIS THREAD..THIS VERY DAY

THEY..control your fears/THUS CONTROL YOUR MINDs

think why you have closed your minds EVEN..to simple facts?
has-beens only crime has been to try to educate
the guilty/who took the lolly
BRIBE/SEE YOU GOT GUILTED

of course US..[smokers]..BACK THEN....believed
what we wanted to believe..JUST AS YOU GUYS TOO TODAY..
really NeED BELIEVE ITS US..[deniers]..that deserves your mob name calling..slander ridicules..and the name ignorant/working for big business[you lot are getting the CASH FROM]

ITS Mob insanity
were are those of you who are so fair..regarding other matters[you dont have a financial intrest in]?

WE [deniers]..KNOW ANY EFFORT TO EDUCATE YOU WILL RESULT IN name calling../gITS called denial..and you lot are in it..

im not getting a cent from no one[how much is your power bill in credit/

please note ..its us paying for your free lunch
we deniers are paying your way..into the hell your namecalling US PAYING YOUR WAY..brings by way of karma
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16086&page=0
IF ITS ALL TRUE
WHY THE LIES
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/climategate.php

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=NO+HOCKEY+stick+Gw+rejected&

ITS SAD..you think you know people
then they get richer than you..and change

man..you changed..when you beCAME ONE OF 'THEM'
now you got the taste of the free lunch..your NOW BECOME..what you FOUGHT AGAINST..till they began paying you/by free gifts/free light bulbs free solar free lunch for the next 30 years[OR SO YA THINK

SOON WE ALL WILL BE PAYING DOUBLE WHAT YOUR GETTING TODAY
THEN YOU TOO WILL PAY..I GIVE IT 5 YEARS WE ALL WILL BE PAYING..60 CENTS..OR RATHER THE RICH..THE POOR WILL BE LONG DEAD/PAYING FOR YOUR FREE POWER..its sic*..sad.sad sad

GOP AHEAD REFUTE WHAT I SAY
ANY NAME CALLING WILL BE PROOF

yes i know its futile to stop those chosing to ignore facts
PLEASE NOTE..COHENITES SATURATION POINT/FROM
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16086&page=0

http://jennifermarohasy.com/2009/03/radical-new-hypothesis-on-the-effect-of-greenhouse-gases/?cp=11#comment-87599
The general Beer-Lambert law..which is usually written as:

A..=..a x b x c

Where A..is the measured absorbance,..
a is..a wavelength-dependent absorptivity coefficient, ..b is the path length, and c is the analyte concentration.

So as...c decreases..b increases.

The result..is that CO2 emissivity,..the measure of how/much heat-radiation..the concentration of CO2 absorbs,..DECLINES as the concentration..increases.

warmist..concepts
http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm
fLOATED WITH TRUMPETS..then quietly.allowed to die

The dead link/only collection

Acne,.Africa hit hardest, African summer frost, agricultural land increase,..Alaska reshaped, anxiety,..Arctic tundra to burn, atmospheric defiance, bananas destroyed, beer shortage, bird distributions change, blizzards,..boredom,..brain eating amoebae, business opportunities,..business risks, British gardens change, budget increases,..cardiac arrest,..cataracts, challenges and opportunities, cloud stripping, cremation to end, damages equivalent to $200 billion,..dermatitis, desert life threatened,..diarrhoea, disappearance of coastal cities, Dolomites collapse, drought in distant regions,..drowning people, early marriages,..early spring, Earth spinning out of control,...Earth wobbling, evolution accelerating, extinctions (bats, pigmy possums, koalas,..turtles, orang-utan, elephants, tigers, gorillas, whales, frogs,) fainting, fish catches rise,.flames stoked, footpath erosion,..glacial growth, global dimming,..god melts,..Gore omnipresence, Great Lakes drop, harmful algae, hazardous waste sites breached, high court debates, HIV epidemic, human health improvement,.ice shelf collapse, jet stream drifts north, lake and stream productivity decline, lightning related insurance claims,..little response in the atmosphere, lost $350 billion,.Lyme disease, marine dead zone,..Maple production advanced, mental illness(Alberta)..migration difficult(birds), mountains melting,...mudslides,..oceans noisier, oyster diseases, ozone loss,..Pacific dead zone,..plankton destabilised, plankton loss, plant viruses,.polar bears starve,..psychosocial disturbances, popcorn rise, rainfall reduction,..riches,..rivers dry up, rockfalls, ruins ruined, skin cancer,..smelt down,.snowfall reduction, stick insects,stormwater drains stressed,..teenage drinking, terrorism, tree beetle attacks, trees could return to Antarctic, tree growth increased, tsunamis,..tundra plant life boost,..uprooted - 6 million, Vampire moths, violin decline,walrus displaced, war, w.ar between US and Canada,..water scarcity(20% of increase), water stress, water supply unreliability,..weeds,..white Christmas dream ends, wine - harm to Australian industry,..*World bankruptcy,.World-famous places threatened,..*World in crisis,..*World in flames,

Suggestions.for replacement links are welcome.

Total (dead and alive) 883
Last updated 05/03/12
..its funny/this relateS..MORE THAN/YOU THINK
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6282&page=0

but..closed minds..cant hear..the simple-truth/their broke.
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=CARBON+CREDIT+NEW+AGE+MONEY+NWO&

OUG,

"my lord hasbeen..HOW TYPICAL/THE MANY RESPONSES
YOU PRESENT INFO..but the info is ignored as they play the man"

If Hasbeen puts up junk-science, and it's promptly shot down in flames...well...what?

Then you point us in the direction of cohenite and Jennifer Marohasy and various other junk-science purveying, denier sites...as if that's a game changer.

Nothing much changes around here.