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Posted by sonofgloin, Sunday, 9 March 2014 12:09:20 PM
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Dear Sonofgloin,
Are you suggesting that Crimeans should sell their freedom for 30 pieces of silver? Understandably they don't want to be ruled by Kiev, but do they truly think that life under Kremlin rule would be any better? There is their chance of a lifetime for independence and what do these fools do instead?... As for the economic side, sure, hang all evil bankers for relentlessly forcing their loans and mortgages on innocent householders who never understood the terms, who were never ever told that they would need to repay that money one day. Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 9 March 2014 6:13:51 PM
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I posted this link on another thread but it is appropriate here.
The Looting Of Ukraine Has Begun From http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/03/06/looting-ukraine-begun/ According to a report in Kommersant-Ukraine, the finance ministry of Washington’s stooges in Kiev who are pretending to be a government has prepared an economic austerity plan that will cut Ukrainian pensions from $160 to $80 so that Western bankers who lent money to Ukraine can be repaid at the expense of Ukraine’s poor. http://www.kommersant.ua/doc/2424454 It is Greece all over again. Before anything approaching stability and legitimacy has been obtained for the puppet government put in power by the Washington orchestrated coup against the legitimate, elected Ukraine government, the Western looters are already at work. Naive protesters who believed the propaganda that EU membership offered a better life are due to lose half of their pension by April. But this is only the beginning. The corrupt Western media describes loans as “aid.” However, the 11 billion euros that the EU is offering Kiev is not aid. It is a loan. Moreover, it comes with many strings, including Kiev’s acceptance of an IMF austerity plan. Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 9 March 2014 8:41:24 PM
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Caught between a rock and a hard place those poor Crimean's.
If they side with Russia (Which they have chosen it seems) They risk all the corruption from KGB oligarchs. If they side with the EU, they risk being ruled by unelected, corrupt oligarchs in Brussels and turned into another Greece. If they go for independence they'll be next on the list of nations to be re-educated in Central bank, IMF, BIS control, become another Greece anyway and not know which bunch of corrupt oligarchs will rule them. I think they made the right decision. < As for the economic side, sure, hang all evil bankers for relentlessly forcing their loans and mortgages on innocent householders who never understood the terms, who were never ever told that they would need to repay that money one day. > If only it were that simple, Yuyutsu. It's true that people accept their loans. But what they don't accept and agree to, is having their money manipulated up the wahzoo so that they can no longer afford to pay back those loans! Destroying peoples lives seems to be the banksters/politicians favourite past-time! The world will never improve until the last bankster is hung with the entrails of the last politician! Posted by RawMustard, Sunday, 9 March 2014 8:41:43 PM
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Dear Mustard,
<<But what they don't accept and agree to, is having their money manipulated up the wahzoo so that they can no longer afford to pay back those loans!>> Would you care to explain how this works? What I can observe, is many people who buy houses much better than mine, on mortgages. Then I see them having the air-conditioner working all night with the windows and doors wide open - some even build swimming-pools in their back-yard while still paying their mortgage. Others buy new 4WD cars on loans, well beyond their means while I retain my old sedan-car (not only for cost-saving, I also prefer older cars). I also would have loved to have swimming-pool in my backyard, or at least a Jacuzzi, but no - instead I live within my means, so I have gradually saved, first for my house then for my old age and never asked anyone for a loan. I say the reason they cannot afford to pay back their loans is that they are spoiled rotten! Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 9 March 2014 9:06:47 PM
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Yuyutsu - I could be wrong here but what I think he is eluding to is the IMF tactic of forcing countries to devalue there currency, thus making it easier for western corporations to buy assets cheap and forcing the country to pay back far more than they got because of the devalued currency thus keeping them poor virtually forever.
Posted by Philip S, Monday, 10 March 2014 12:03:03 AM
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Russia has a strategic interest in the Crimea as their only warm water naval port. The NATO issue that comes with Ukraine’s EU membership is provocative. Why is America stirring the pot....whom does Obama represent?
The press have not reflected factually on Russia’s claim to the region. The Crimea is a self governing province that was given to Ukraine by changing a boarder on a map. Ukraine has no historical ownership of the Crimea. In 1954 Khrushchev decreed the Crimea become part of Ukraine, a move that most Russians still see as illegitimate. The majority of the population are ethnic Russians.
This topic is primarily in relation to two topics . Firstly Ukraine owes huge bond repayments to the IMF and was offered $160 million per year for 5 years if they ran with the EU and the IMF restructure plan. Russia countered with an immediate $2 billion and $9 billion over 5 years. Why would Ukraine reject the Russian offer, issue two covers that.
Within living memory Ukraine suffered a genocide conducted by Stalinist Russia that eclipses the Germans efforts with the innocent Jewish people of Europe. The nationalist movement in Ukraine is stacked with firebrands of the ilk that worked closely with the SS during WWII. This same fanatical hatred is now re focussed on Russia so the will of the Ukraine people is to head west. The IMF and the WTO are directing the play.
Since the 1960’s the IMF and WTO have relentlessly loaned sovereign nations into debt in exchange for privatization of their economies and unrestricted access to their resources. Their loan policy is simply an instrument to implement their control, and they will go to war for control.
Sickening, our lives in the IMF’s hands.