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Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 2 March 2014 12:23:08 PM
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SM,
We disagree on this and many other issues - no surprises in that. However this debate should not be a time wasting debate in another Lib/Labor tit-for-tat. The electorate deserves better than that. This debate should not be about the character of Senator Conroy. I shall repeat that a man has been killed while in the current government's care. We should be debating why this happened and how we can stop it from happening again. Public accountability does not stop when men in uniform get involved. The General has many questions to answer and Members of Parliament should keep asking them. To quote the old adage, "Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining!" Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 2 March 2014 12:39:50 PM
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/liberal-preselection-vote-a-blow-to-denis-napthine/story-e6frgczx-1226842873629
The link at first glance is a good one for Labor, I rather liked it. But the last couple of lines spoke a truth I can not deny. And must, for honesty sake, say, far too many of Labors required future voters understand, and fear about us. No less than the branches, Australia wide, of my party who know only too well we are voiceless for the most part. It is our problem Children Sussex Street and Conroy,s of the controlling and heedless right who own the right to select candidates. Conroy is a pest, we need to get the Flick man in. Posted by Belly, Sunday, 2 March 2014 3:58:20 PM
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SM and Belly,
If as SM said "is that General Campbell is not responsible for the PNG solution" Then I will accept Conroy had no business asking irrelevant questions of Campbell. But even Generals should be open to public account for their actions. Do you both agree on that? I also take Foxy's point "stubborn refusal of the government representatives to answer simple questions" Accountability is paramount, and government secrecy is unacceptable. Someone needs to answer questions about the circumstance that lead to Reza Berati death. At the moment I smell a rat and it leads right to Minister Morrison's door! Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 2 March 2014 5:35:21 PM
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Foxy,
First I am staggered by your and Labor's breath taking hypocrisy of a deafening silence when between 1000 and 2000 people died at sea under Labor's watch, while demanding answers for a death that occurred during a riot under a system that was set up by Labor. Yes, there need to be answers, but as with the riots under Labor, an accurate detailed answer is only available after a proper enquiry. Demanding instantaneous answers from a general who is not involved is idiotic in the extreme. Paul, Yes generals should be accountable for their actions, but this does not mean that they need to give minute by minute details of their actions so that Labor can sabotage the border control of Australia Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 2 March 2014 8:25:04 PM
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SM,
Not good enough Sir! This latest episode happened on the Liberal Party's watch and you can't weasel out of it by diverting to blaming Labor (again). Whatever happened under Labor was fully publicised and accounted for. Under this government everything is hush, hush. And therein lies the difference so stop the BS. Its so hypocritical. Demanding accountability from a past government - and yet not being prepared to be accountable. Sickening! And nobody is buying this fake, phoney, BS strategy! Get real! Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 2 March 2014 9:14:01 PM
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Other political parties have some similar and in the Greens they pop up everywhere like poisonous toadstools. Once through pre-selection they seem to be a protected species. That needs to change, but in the interim all the public can do is keep voting them out.
It is clear that many of the public supporters of Conroy are compelled to disregard the video evidence which is factual and they know that, in their quest to tear down a good man. While sociologists could say a thing or two about that, it is the realm of psychologists and maybe psychiatrists, to explain. Where facts and reason fail...