Beach, are you calling me a liar? I so you know what you can do and I don't care what you think. As for the circumstance of why the State member said that to me, it was to do with Australia Post wanting to close a local post office during the 2011 State campaign. Since the PO was right in the middle of the State members seat, and he was already looking rather "uncomfortable" to say the least, he later lost the seat to the Liberal in a landslide. In a private conversation with him I suggested flippantly he get the local Federal member to march down the corridor of Parliament house and bang on the responsible ministers door (Conroy) and tell Conroy this closure was not doing him (State member) any favors as far as reelection went. Flippantly he replied a fat lot of good that would do etc etc about Conroy, he was already well pissed off with his Labor colleagues as he was well aware what was about to happen in a few weeks time. p/s Australia Post act autonomously anyway from the responsible minister. Now you know the fell story.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/corruption-fallout-hits-ofarrell-20140228-33r7p.html
This link is ample evidence room exists on the other side of politics to do just what I do to Labor.
Off topic? no indeed it is not accountability on both sides, and the wish for better is the only path for true believers on any side.
Foxy you know as I do, I have seen it in another thread, some posts are not worth the dirty hands.
Conroy is as Paul says right of Joyce! but too so impressed with his power, stolen from those who put him in the house, he thinks he is the Labor party.
I refuse to sit still mouthing words of support while those we need most march away from us voters.
I could put ten links a month together questioning Libs/Nats actions naming those forced out of the Ministry even house, and those thought to be close to going.

In the end our lack of open concern is powering bad out comes from bad candidates on both sides.
And too, without doubt, showing what fools those we continue to support after all think we are.
Trouble is apparently for at least Conservatives here and Labors few Ostriches they are right
Only a true return to policy's and actions that most want is going to get Labor back in power.
Sitting on past policy's, long ago rejected by voters is noway to achieve change and gain Government.
Given a say it is my view Australians would savagely reject the actions of Labors power brokers from the right/right Unions.
Labors current troubles came from both and Sussex Street gladly fed them from its right wing Castle now a heap of mud in Parramata
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Paul1405,

No, I didn't say that at all. Whatever you say of course. You do stretch my credulity, but Greens have that effect on most people.

Belly,

You have worn that excuse thin that the 'conservatives' do things too. How is that supposed to excuse Labor and union leaders and those who occupied positions of trust in the formal structure?

The corruption is said to be endemic so what excuse is there for not knowing and not doing something about it? Was everyone wearing blinkers like the old Tooth and Co Clydesdale brewery horses and wads of cotton wool stuffed in their ears? That is as far as the comparison goes - at least the Clydesdales worked and worked honestly at that.

The public is concerned that corruption is curtailed wherever it occurs and that controls are put in place to deter and detect it in the future. What about the audit reports, or wasn't there any of that either?

Waiting for the outcome of the RC.

Foxy,

It is clear that you didn't read what I wrote.

Ben Eltham was trying to suggest that a few sex scandals amongst cadets or other personnel within the tens of thousands meant that the military was untrustworthy. This conclusion is delusional, and reflects the shoddy journalism of this collection of polemics called the New Matilda.

If you have any doubts as to the need for operational security, just read this:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/breaking-the-australian-governments-silence-on-stopping-the-boats-20140228-33r3b.html

The main issue I was highlighting was that most people and all reputable news outlets do not think that the general is "covering up" anything, and think that Conroy is an obnoxious pratt for impugning the integrity of a man far better than himself.

The sanctimonious twitterings of a left wing pin head in a far left blog with almost non existent readership carries no weight.

Beach you said;

"Of course you (Paul1405) heard some Labor person say that. Tell us another one do please do." If that is not calling me a liar, what is? Now you backtrack on what you say "No, I didn't say that at all". Like a cowardly kid, who throws stones, then runs and hides. You are so conceited in your views, you go as far as claiming to "know" what others on here think. I have respect for the majority of posters on this forum, but none for you and your far right rantings about such nonsense as Fabians and other extreme rubbish. Based on your rantings, I believe you are a member one of one those extreme right, half a percent political mobs, such as Australia First. I note you conveniently dodged the question about Jim Saleam. Your views would certainly receive nodding approval from Saleam.
Reading your posts you are a complete, clueless political novice. I doubt you have ever spoken to a "real" politician in your life, and I don't count Jim in that category.