Ok Belly, I read a bit of the link the realized it was same old same old.

So, why should the government be so concerned about these farmers, knowing full well that cattle farmers in the north have been decimated, thanks in large to the live export debacle, a cancer that has spread far and wide among cattle farmers and dairy farmers have been committing suicide for decades. Fruit farmers have also been slaughtered by fair work laws

Who decides which farmers areworth supporting/saving, and which are not.

As for SPC, sign over the keys if they walk in the future and I'm sure the government would revisit the issue. Bacuase after all, they can't expect a hand out without giving something in return.

If SPCA is really worth saving (as determined by impartial evaluation of its likely future viability and profitability in a competitive market) AND would continue to provide the best option for our canned-fruit growers (as against growing something else equally or more profitable to them), AND could be purchased outright from Coca-Cola Amatil at a reasonable price, THEN it ought to be in our (AUS) best interest for our State and Federal governments to work with the fruit growers to set up a grower cooperative to purchase SPCA, AS State/Federal funds COULD be found if the need is seen to be great enough. No politics, just economics and national/social best interest.

Perhaps the same evaluation could also be applied to Holden and Toyota?

But, LOANS or Buy-out and Take-over, Not Handouts!

We (Oz) need to find more ways to develop Industry and Jobs, and not just keep crying in our milk "What can I do?"
Time for Oz to stand up for itself, for our society, and for all those needing productive employment.

It's about time our governments got more serious about building our industrial capacity, in preference to building better roads or rail systems. It's about building long-term capacity and resilience, rather than focusing on saving urbanites a few minutes on the way to and from their already-secure jobs.

If government can bail-out cane growers, ex tobacco-farmers and loggers of old-growth forests, why not assist our fruit growers to take control of their destiny?

<<..(remembering TAX DOLLARS are now scarce) and if so, why?>>

YES THATS The key..tax dollars

se we formed govt to regulate trade commerce transport etc
to dO THIS..they created 'convenient fictions'..such as personhood
ie the state creates persons..UNDER the act.

THUS UNDER THE TRANSPORT ACT..they give permissions,,for the 'persons;..doing the trade oF TRANS-PORTing goods..via permissions..[WE CALL Them license]..so to do 'transport'..the licence..allows the person[licence]..to do the business of transport.

ITS ALL RATHER CLEVER..they cant touch..THE LIVING PERSON..but they fully control the licence[the false person]..these non persons[CREATED UNDER THE ACT..reqUIRE A BUSNESS MEANS..they call veHICLES..if dOING transport for money..these must be regesterd.

but if not doing 'transport..nOR commerce..govt cant require licence,,for traVEL..to be cLEAR//only commerce can be regulated

THEY DID..the same re money.,.,etc[but here is the catch 22]
see govt canNOT MAKE ANYTHING BUT COIN LAWFULL TENDER..thus those using money..fall under commerce/law

thing is criminALS..TOOK GOVT RIGHT to issue money..away from govt
[stole it by subverting govt promise[that was contract..promise..[iou]
then unlawfully broke the CONTRACT..in thE PROCESS STEALING..the fed mint treasure

from then on govt couldnt create money[they had to borrow it from criminal baners..at intrest]..then tax us on wages..via the lie OF INCOME TAX

see goVT CREATED FICTIONS..earn income..[as they 'live'..only under the act]//we the living earn wage..yet because we hold licence under the act..the licence being non living..only 'earns income]..as clearly dead persons cant collect wage..thus wage is deemed as if income.

anyhow these personhood fictions of person..now have enslaved us all
[all money[not ;lawfull tender/ie coin]..eis proof of debt[yet us ignorants think it is the value

but think..you know what a bill is
well thats what a bajnk bill is[itys proof of debt]..but you too ignorant..of true law think the debt is credit..when its the noose held by bankers created by lawyers under acts[ie satanists..plunderring the world of coin[real value]..with paper..and now simply digets in a cvomputer

then the bankers went bust

thing is you want cut wages..remove all personal taxation
we pay less 'tax',,for corperate 'bailout'..thus need earn less so the boss can pay less

but instead we need work more for less..to grow the debt
to pay eveN MORE TAX ETC..when govt could simply do as usa fed is doing..iE PRINT IT FOR FREE.

jhoe hockey ,made it worse by giving money they bporrOWED..FROM CHINA
TO THE FED WHO OWNS THE MONEY PRINTING PRESS..AND GETS INTRSST ON THE BAILOUT.,PLUS OUR INCREASED TAXATION.

THE FED THEN Leveraged the cash many times over..to lend to yet other govts at intrst..thing is all bankers broke many laws..HAVE BOUGHT UP ANYTHING OF VALUE..ARE GUILTY OF TREASON..[DITTO JOE HOCKEY]..GIVING THE TREASONOUS BANKERS THeir last drop of OUR LIFE BLOOD

YOUR IGNORANCE HAS COME HOME TO ROOST
and my income STREAM..is dead

stop govt giving our tax to anyone
especially those endebited by unlawful debt

govt needs bailout no one..just take back THE FED/MINT
THEN ISSUE ITS OWN MONEY INTREST FREE..INSTEAD IT DECLARES WAR ON ME..[TO PAY FOR YOUR IGNORANCE]

R,

Wages and associated employment costs are part of the problem.

Most employees have 2 years redundancy benefits, extra loadings on penalty rates, payments for sick leave, weeks off for union reps etc that make the cost of labour far higher than the nominal annual wage.

As long as there is a sugar daddy to bail out unprofitable companies, there is no incentive to improve productivity.

In the USA, GM, Ford, Chrysler all where hugely unprofitable due to union wages and conditions that again had made the cost of labor far higher than the wage. It took the GFC and these companies going into chapter 11 bankruptcy to force the unions to negotiate and remove some of the more ridiculous conditions.

The workers at SPC must decide whether they want to work or not.

sm/quote..<<..It took the GFC and these companies going into chapter 11 bankruptcy to force the unions to negotiate and remove some of the more ridiculous conditions.>>

the ridiculous conditions were needed to pay for extra govt tax
and to repay..the personal credit card interest..as govt sold off assets and assets increased the costs to 'the people'..add in the other revenue/raising increased costs..yes the workers earn their way.

its govt that has failed..it has no constitutional power to tax wage as if income...none but by threat and force..[govt only rules over the fictions[dead persons]..not the living

remove gst..we will take a paycut..50/50..the business savings
take away wage tax..we will work..for the same take home pay

so limit any bailout..to the wages it thieves from the workers
boss pays less..business dont need bailout..everyone is happy

alternately..stop inflating the cost of consumables
if we have true dollar value..its cheaper to live cause less dollars goes further

govt needs only return the fed to govt..control
[ie lend to banks instead of from banks.]

cut tax burden..=cut wages the fair way.
stop depreciating the value of our dollar we need less..from you.

the more stuff costs us
the more it costs you..to work for your wealth.
if your proffit..bought more you too would be happy

the enemy..isnt your workers[nor your bosses]..but that thieves stole our assets by the lie of money/at intrest..see previous links.

govt can survive..simply on issuing its own money..for everything
even bailing out worthy multinationals

why make it a war..the ignorant are being raped by the too clever by far/few..85..of whom..own more that half the worlds wealth..than..3..point 5 billion serfs own.

now these few too clever by far 85..own our infastructure and public services roads grids transport too[as they go up we will need more wages..or eat the rich.

your choice
with us or against us