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Organised Labor, Organised crime.

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SM, I don't doubt you do subscribe to 'The Times of London' or some such other lofty publications and read them thoroughly. But the inescapable fact is, I found it east to find where you started a discussion based on trashy journalism from 'The Sydney Daily Telegraph' and I quote you again as you cut and pasted it from 'The Daily Telegraph'

"Is this the greens' way of differentiating themselves from the main parties and real issues? Is this the party for whom reality is too hard?"

You also said "and so only quote it('The Daily Telegraph') when segments have been quoted by other papers. Ho hum, do you so, can you POINT to the above QUOTE of yours from 'The Murdoch Fish Wrapper' that also appears in one of those other respected publications which as you say has also printed this dribble above? You will know it because you CHECKED it out beforehand.

If you fail to do so, I can only assume you are telling a PORKY! and do none of what you claim you do.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 10:35:19 AM
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Paul,

All I see is you wiggling from admitting you posted a lie.

You claimed that I "often" refer to the telegraph, I said I did so only seldom, and to date you can only find one example, and repeating it several times does not change this. You stuffed up, so just man up and admit it instead trying to change the subject.

Whether I read the telegraph or not is irrelevant. I simply provided some personal background, and you can chose to believe it or not. If you use google news you will find snippets from newspapers all over the world.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 11:49:41 AM
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SM, I now understand that you and the Mad Monk have another thing in common, not only do you both support failed Liberal Party policies, you both tell PORKIES! Tony Baloney about the poor workers at SPC, so said Liberal Party MP Sharman Stone.

Here is a link to a quality journal 'The Sydney Morning Herald' I don't need to "check it out" with some other newspaper as unlike 'The Telegraph' one can rely on 'The Herald' like the ABC, for fair and unbiased reporting.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-mp-sharman-stone-accuses-tony-abbott-and-joe-hockey-of-lying-over-spc-ardmonas-workplace-agreement-20140204-31y52.html

Now, you have FAILED to substantiate you bogus claim about checking 'Telegraph' crap with other newspapers before posting on here. The post I pointed to, by your own omission you admit you told a PORKY! There was none of that claimed checking, was there.

As for posting other cut and paste jobs from 'The Daily Telegraph' you have done, I don't need to substantiate that fact, as "often" is subjective not quantitative. I simply say You "OFTEN" post unchecked material, despite claiming the opposite, from that Murdoch fish wrapper 'The Daily Telegraph' and that can be deemed, like Abbott, as telling a PORKY!
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 6:58:20 PM
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Paul,

You are lying again.

First you lie claiming that I often refer to the telegraph, and I don't.

Next you lie that I claim that I " you bogus claim about checking 'Telegraph' crap with other newspapers before posting on here." Where if you were literate you would see that it is plainly false.

I claimed that because the telegraph is a subscription paper (which you can easily check) and cannot be read or copied on-line that:
a) I seldom use it,
b) when I do it is because its articles, or parts of its articles are referred to by other sources from which I can cut or paste.

I do not feel the need to "check" their information, as what they print is far more likely to be valid than the squalid little blogs the NM or IA, and if I had free access to their articles I probably would quote them more frequently.

Which all boils down to your lie that I "often" quote them.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 6 February 2014 3:54:58 AM
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Paul,

Try this from the same paper:

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/labor-and-greens-shout-no-no-no-to-ending-corruption-20140205-321gu.html

"Labor and Greens shout no, no, no to ending corruption

There are clean unions and dirty unions. Then there is a bikie gang masquerading as a union, which describes elements within the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Engineering Union. Some of its officials belong in jail, along with bikies they employ as enforcers and blackmailers.
In the CFMEU, certain officials receive free building materials, delivered off the back of a truck. In Sydney, some CFMEU officials allowed crime figures to infiltrate big construction projects and start milking funds. In Queensland, some CFMEU officials paid bikies to visit work sites, cause damage, then claim there were health and safety issues, a classic protection racket. In Victoria, intimidation is standard practice for some elements of the CFMEU, with some people well known for their links to the criminal milieu.
If the CFMEU spent all its time looking after construction workers it would not be such a lightening rod for trouble and dirt. Instead, it is the last organisation you would listen to if you wanted to clean up the building industry, while the Australian Building and Construction Commission is the last organisation you would shut down if you wanted to clean up the building industry.
This is exactly what Julia Gillard and her government did, shut down the ABCC after a campaign by the CFMEU and the Greens. Certain CFMEU officials even bragged that the ABCC would not survive.

After the ABCC was eliminated the CFMEU re-established its muscle on construction sites, and bribery, corruption, collusion and intimidation have all spiked up.
It means Australia is seeing a stark divide open up in politics, which should work well for Prime Minister Tony Abbott."
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 6 February 2014 4:13:41 AM
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SM, like you often do I to can post a link to 'The Telegraph'. Naturally I am not a subscriber as I don't fish and therefore don't need to wrap them, and at home we use a quality paper in the toilet and therefore have absolutely no use for that 'The Murdoch Mud Sheet'.
Just to prove it here is a link.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news

Add it to your favorites list then you will have easy access when OFTEN you want to link a bit of Daily Telegraph crap on here. Maybe I'm wrong, you most likely already have it.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 6 February 2014 8:17:59 AM
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