This is going to be short hopefully. I got carried away, 865 words so starting again. ANY person who commits the unforgivable offense of molesting an innocent child, and any persons who are found to protect the offender be they two or twenty are equally as guilty. No matter if they belong to one of the wealthiest institutions on earth. Believe they are untouchable and hold total disregard for the laws of humanity. Entertain delusions of grandeur and have clearly lost their conscience. Like any other undesirable sex offender, put into jail, without protection, because they have now reduced themselves to the lowest of the low.
The police are entrusted to keep our towns and families safe. And all the while the criminals are at work deviously destroying little boys lives for their own selfish gratification.
To become ordained, marry God? and relinquish all normal human privileges, one more, important sacrifice needs to be made. Sounds brutal, but compulsory castration. Going through all the processes of becoming a priest does not change the natural function of the ever ready reproductive system. Surely this is the most effective, only effective option to protect children from becoming human receptacles and an object used by testosterone filled men. I know it will never happen because its inhumane. Which one is more inhumane?A conscious moral decision to remove what is no longer required, and will inevitably lead to some level of unacceptable acts.Or the life destroying betrayal and brutality of an innocent who has no choice.

Before someone else says it.
There are pedophiles in all organisations.
The bid difference though is what is done about it.
With most organisations they are reported to the Police.
In the case of pedophile priests they are transferred to another parish interstate or overseas and their whereabouts kept a secret.
Where they can re offend until caught and then transferred again.

jod....they think they are untouchable
[mate three pages ago..on this very forum..i saw an adVERT..of a chILDS HAND..IN A MOsque..in the playground of the mega rich[the same elites..that get kiddies..deLIVERD..tO thieR door

via comm car/obtained BY child-eSERVICES..held
by private holding agents/and complicit trainers[foster parents]

FREELY..AVAILABLE TO JUDGES POLITICIANS POLICE PUBLIC SERVICES
[if you could stop them..they got their Guys in PLACE..ALREADY
THUS YES EVEN IN ABC/SBS AND ALL OTHER MEDIA[YES TALK BACK RADIO TOO/yes ALL MEDIA



]
Holy See to be forced to defend itself
against broad accusations it ignored pedophiles
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/vatican-to-be-grilled-by-un-panel-about-child-sex-abuse-1.2497159

First thing the Pope might want to do is get rid of these light switch plates at the Vatican! :{
here look at a light switch[from the vaTICAN
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/jesuslightswitch.jpg

THE INTIMIDATION/INDOCTRINATION..OF KIDS SEEMS KEY
http://xrepublic.tv/node/7027

ITS GLOBAL..HOW ELSE DO..you get total obedience
have whaT THEY WANT..om tap[then have the dirt on em]

its as old as creation
HERE/closer to the root
Its how israel controls usa*

UNDER*..talmudc law?
we are talking..of the settlers..
who/live..in dark/places..live under?

read the rule those zionists[sorry ELITES..OF the jew/
sons of jewish-..mother's..do [in the deserts]

http://www.biblestudysite.com/factsarefacts.htm
quotations;..from the Soncino Edition
of the Talmud,(Book]

SANHEDRIN,..55b-55a:.."What is meant by this?...

Rab said:..Pederasty with a child
below nine years of age..is not deemed
as pederasty..with a child above that.

(footnotes)"..The reference is to..
the passive..'subject'/..*victim..of sodomy

UNDER NINE

do you get that jod?
now lets go younger

[is/this..what the settlers are doing in the deserts

YEBAMOTH,60b..*...Rabbi.Ramanos who conducted an/inquiry..and..'found'..in it

the daughter of a..'proselyte'..
who was under..the age of three years[and one day]...,

and Rabbi declared her/eligible*
to live with a priest."

(footnotes)"..A proselyte..under the age of three years
and one day may...be married by a priest...

*And was married..to a priest.

(i.e.,permitted to continue/to live with her'husband'."]

(Book)

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp%3Fdiscussion%3D3071%26page%3D0&sa=U&ei=Mk6eUp36Ks2ZlQWzn4D4DA&ved=0CBgQFjAJ

Child sacrifice was practised in ancient times as offering to the Ammonite god Molech a worship of natural fertility which was forbidden by the laws of Israel. See Leviticus 18: 21; 20: 1 - 5; 1Kings 11: 7; 2 Kings 17 17; 21: 6; 27: 10; Jeremiah 32: 35; Ezekiel 16: 21.
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2994&page=0
Tradition ascribed to Sanchuniathon stated that the Pheonicians sacrificed children.

the practice of Mlk occurs in Ugarit texts and has been ascribed by Gordon as a kind of child sacrifice (C H Gordon, Ugaritic Handbook 1947 edit page 246)

what happens to..a nest of vipers?
when..its only..the innocents..that are..
the offering blood-'sacrifice'..to satanic vices..of athiest-secular/man..putting mens urges..before god.

ye shall..put..none..before god
love god..by loving his children..dont include rape...
murder/maiming/mutating/pill-aging..nor looting..or poluting

by their works..will we know them
trouble is..the nest is..also..in a..nursery

jodelie,

What about all the married priests in the Catholic Church?

Your solution is going to be a bit hard (no pun intended) on their wives.

jodelie,
Do not associate "the faith" of a religion with the criminal behaviour of the person in a religion. To attack a faith / religion actually attack the principles taught or the behaviour promoted by the religion. If the religion actually teaches molestation of children then attack that. Attack the criminality of the person not living in denial of his / her passions as taught by the religion.

I am not Catholic but if one takes a vow they must accept the responsibility of that vow. I actually believe celibacy must be seriously questioned as a life for young men from Catholic university. The Christian faith actually teaches if one cannot be self controlled he / she is to marry.

jodelie

if you are really concerned about child molestation go to the Aboriginal communities and protest. Also protest against the porn industry that feeds such abhorrent acts. Otherwise if its just the Catholic church you hate come out and say it.

"I know it will never happen because its inhumane. Which one is more inhumane?" Yes why don't we ask the offenders. When convicted of pedophile behaviour or rape we should ask them which they would prefer - 25 years in jail or a simple operation after which the desire would vanish and they could be released.
Farmers routinely perform this operation to reduce the type of bahaviour encouraged by too much testosterone etc. on all their different types of livestock. We as humans are only the top of the animal chain, but there is absolutely no reason why we should not offer a (free) cure to sexual offenders. It is not inhumane if it is voluntary.
Quite apart from that I believe it would save the taxpayer, i.e. all of us, around $100,000 a year for each offender as well as changing the lives of what must really be very unhappy people

Dickybird,

I suggest that you do some research on the effects of castration before you are tempted to post more on the subject.

Why don't you inform me. Do you have any experiences ?

Dickybird,

If you can't be bothered doing some research so that you don't post uninformed comments then don't expect others to do it for you.

One other thing that needs to be clarified is the notion that Catholic priests, other than those in Religious Orders, take a vow of celibacy; they do not.

Is Mise, how can a person be a Catholic priest if he is not a member of any religious order?

I really picked the wrong subject to chat about didnt I?
As religion was the subject of the day, I looked up a few sites to try and become better informed, so as not to put my foot in it and offend anyone. My hubby, myself and several family members have all been victims of sexual abuse. Many years ago of course. One repeat offender was a brother at a boys school. The other mongrels were various family friends. Pedophilia has been around forever, and it remains an abhorrent crime. Sadly the Catholic church, for one institution has a very high percentage of offenders, going back many years. The expected moral action would be reporting the crime. Sadly again, to save the reputation of the most worshiped, highly regarded Religion, dishonest activities became necessary, followed by no doubt immense guilt.
The high percentage of offenses, is due to an all male habitation. These men, many young, believed they had found their calling in life, and made the monumental life change. The (maybe counseling) that they would have gone through had to have been extensive. Vows, including celibacy, being taken with absolute faith in their moral strength and dedication.
Sadly as is natures intention, the male reproduction system is sooner or later going to interfere despite..anything. Urges vary, Im not a man but I am well aware of the function. The result leading to moral decline then criminal acts, for many over many years.
The only solution I could think of to control the natural urges was the brutal castration. Makes sense, but nooo. Thank you Josephus, married men, perfect! Women in the Vatican for the greater good. Staying away from that one:)

DEAR..DB..that idea wont wORK..mainly becausE..DO GOODERS will provide WHOREMOAN REPLACEMENT

WHAT WILL WORK..is branding them
then outcasting them..into new guinie,,or deepesT Afrika
pervets donT DESERVE WESTERN..TRUST..they aree beasts..so must be cASTout..into whatever wilderness will take them..for yanki dollars

if they return,,default FOR OUTCASTS=LIfe..under sedation
in stocks.

LETS BE harsh/but fair..BUT MEDIA WONT LET THAT WORK..poLITITIONS WONT GO FOR A CURE..politricks is run by it..diTTO/LAW public service child..'care'..agencies etc etc

hence the trolls

Runner you did not read my post did you.
As I said pedophiles are sent to jail.
It is only the Religious organisations that transfer offenders away to evade prosecution.
Not even with the indigenous problem do they ship there pedophiles out of the area.

jodie/..its never the 'right/time'..BUT its..ONE IN 4 OF US
who get that same DUMB IGNORTANT LOOK WHEN WE TRY TO taLK..about it

see its a case..Wwhere we are kept silent..[or facE court 3 times only to have them off on appeal[im told its like beING raped 4 times.

we..need to sERiously consider the harm..[in my CASE..it meant awakening..to how evil/this [satans realm]..can be.

we try..to justIFY..[figure it out/we also have stockholmes syndrOME
it stuffed up..my ability to parent..but taught me much[too much]
ITS VSAID..many stay..that mental age..till be balance THE karma

no outcasting them is fair
then we send the problems..over there..
BUT With everyone..'there'..knowing what they are

when ignorants know..their better than you..thats when they get their just fruit..[men dont need to do what the BEASTS DO*]..

THE UNCivil/CRIMINAL/EVIL..clearly incarnated in the wRong place..send them away...DEE-PEST..afrika..make problem gO AWAY

That is a good idea
If the catholic priests are dedicated celibate.
What do they need the equipment for - best if it is removed.

ponde,

As I posted elsewhere Catholic priests except those in Religious Orders that require a vow of celibacy, do not take such a vow also there are married priests in the Catholic Church.
Would you deny priest's wives their conjugal rights?

'What do they need the equipment for - best if it is removed. '

Ponde

your arguement could be used for lesbians.

Runner,

You'd better look up just what lesbians get up to!

I believe that there are a number of sites on the www. that are informative.

darren hinch..WAS..on 7 current affairs show tonight
STANDINg up yet again..for the injured..by pERVERTS

it..HASNT SHOWN-UP ON HIS WEBSITE yet
http://www.humanheadline.com.au/

it seems he will be doing the 50 days jail..not paying the 100.000 fine

The Cross is also a symbol of Christianity; should we remove it from public life?

Perhaps ban its display?

Jodelie,

You make some monumental assumptions:
"The police are entrusted to keep our towns and families safe..... .
Sounds brutal, but compulsory castration...."

There are two assumptions that are wrong, it is not the job of the police to protect society although many of them do and it is also erroneous to think that castration necessarily stops penile penetration, it doesn't.

Jodelie, I doubt castration would be enough to stop any paedophile reoffending, as I think it is more of a mental defect than physical.
Sending them to jail for life is safest.

Blaming celibacy is no use either, given that married ministers of other religions and organisations have been caught for paedophilia, not to mention all the poxy paedophiles living supposedly normal lives out in the community.

Is Mise, am I missing something here?
When and where do Catholic priests get married?
I always thought they weren't allowed to marry?

Sending them to jail for life is safest.
Suseonline,
I'd like to see them put in the care of the parents of an abused child. These vermin once in jail, then gang up with other vermin & lierally run the show from jail.

its not just religeONS..NOT just by a Long shot
http://www.blacklistednews.com/Britain%3A_%E2%80%98Pedophile_Network_at_the_Heart_of_Government%E2%80%99/32055/0/38/38/Y/M.html

Imagine If You Found a Sex-Ed Poster Asking This
Provocative Question at Your Daughter’s Middle School
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/01/15/imagine-if-you-found-a-sex-ed-poster-asking-this-provocative-question-at-your-daughters-middle-school/

A poster asking some Kansas middle school students a sexually provocative question has at least one parent up in arms.

“How do people express their sexual feelings,” the poster asks, before listing “touching each other’s genitals,” “anal sex” and “vaginal intercourse,” among other things.

After seeing the material posted at Hocker Grove Middle School in Shawnee, Kan., Mark Ellis thought it was likely posted by pranksters, WDAF-TV reported. He couldn’t believe school officials would actually expose his 13-year-old daughter to such a question.

http://intellihub.com/2014/01/16/philippines-tens-of-thousands-of-children-sexually-abused-for-internet-revenue/
http://investmentwatchblog.com/manufacturing-consent-how-governments-control-the-agenda/

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/news/romanian-court-rejects-mps-super-immunity

http://rinf.com/alt-news/latest-news/welcome-orwellian-america-land-silent-home-submissive/

Suse,

Priests cannot marry within the Church but married men may become priests, this is common in the Eastern Rites of Catholicism but not in the Roman Rite.

Recently a number of former priests of the Anglican Communion have become Roman Rite priests and those that were married remained married.

My one time Commanding Officer Lt. Col. V E Dowdy became the first married Roman Rite man to be ordained a priest in Australia.

He later officiated at his daughters wedding and, in the fullness of time, baptized his own grandchild.

Is Mise Clearly my knowledge is limited but I am keen to ask questions and make suggestions and become more informed and have a better understanding of many subjects. So of course welcome correction and constructive criticism when called for.
The police are not employed to protect the public? I know many abuse their position but still. And i did believe the main purpose of castration was to stop the ability to reproduce, reduce testosterone and largely decrease libido. Thinking this my put a stop to the start of the sexual abuse problem among those being ordained to priesthood.

Jodelie, are you suggesting they castrate all Catholic priests just in case they might abuse children, or after they have been convicted?

Why just the priests, why not all paedophiles?
It has already been well established that celibacy does not 'cause' paedophilia, so why concentrate on Catholic priests and other clergy?

Why just the priests, why not all paedophiles?
Suseonline,
Of course that includes all paedoghiles. We could include all you asexuals as well just to make things better for the rest of us.

Oh dear the ABC again making friends of people who don't tell the truth even about something as abhorrent as child abuse. How they thrive on hatred. Turns out the ABC media hero Peter Fox is not a very reliable witness. When is the ABC going to start reporting instead of finding people (no matter how credible) to back up their dogmas. Oh dear secularism at it again.

Oh dear secularism at it again.

Posted by runner, Saturday, 18 January 2014 2:53:29 PM

Oh dear..runner...A song just for those who think religion is clean and white..

http://tinyurl.com/la5zpp4

Planet3

Think with-out words...and you will fine your answers.

Planet3

AZ Governor Uses ‘State Of State’ Address To Get Rid Of Child Protective Services
. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/01/14/jan-brewer-dissolves-cps/

With the scandal of over 6000 uninvestigated child abuse cases hanging over her head, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer dissolved Child Protective Services (CPS) by executive order. She made the unexpected announcement on Monday during her State of the State address to the legislature. Child advocacy groups and politically progressive groups have been calling on her to take action over the scandal. They especially wanted her to dismiss the Department of Economic Security director, Clarence Carter. Carter, who was appointed to his position by Brewer, was responsible for the oversight of CPS. He still has not been fired but, if Brewer has her way, CPS itself will disappear right out from under him.

OUG how many of the perpetrators are Priests?
Runner judge not least you be judged.
Again why,it baffles me, why are the God bothers SOMETIMES the very worst type to sell him?
I see saint like Christian Ministers out in the street feeding the poor and they are hero's and true Christians.
But too a special type of bigotry from far too many claiming God gives them a right to judge others, his teaching never did!

Many of you might find this interesting.

From the Washington Post.

"Sexual abuse of minors is not the province of the Catholic Church alone. About 4 percent of priests committed an act of sexual abuse on a minor between 1950 and 2002, according to a study being conducted by John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. That is roughly consistent with data on many similar professions.

An extensive 2007 investigation by the Associated Press showed that sexual abuse of children in U.S. schools was "widespread," and most of it was never reported or punished. And in Portland, Ore., last week, a jury reached a $1.4 million verdict against the Boy Scouts of America in a trial that showed that since the 1920s, Scouts officials kept "perversion files" on suspected abusers but kept them secret.

"We don't see the Catholic Church as a hotbed of this or a place that has a bigger problem than anyone else," Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, told Newsweek. "I can tell you without hesitation that we have seen cases in many religious settings, from traveling evangelists to mainstream ministers to rabbis and others.

Part of the issue is that the Catholic Church is so tightly organized and keeps such meticulous records -- many of which have come to light voluntarily or through court orders -- that it can yield a fairly reliable portrait of its personnel and abuse over the decades. Other institutions, and most other religions, are more decentralized and harder to analyze or prosecute."

Comments?

After a little research. Yes married men have become ordained. Unmarried ordained catholic priests may not marry but may petition to be released from his vow of celibacy to marry. Relinquishing many of his duties.The vow of celibacy is in place for the subject to 'devote themselves to the church and not to women'. Which, as I read, 'firstly includes the promise of chastity, to abstain from all sexual expression'. Chastity also is said to be very difficult (including self gratification) for men particularly. Some priests were found to have broken a small part of their vow (self grat..) and had moved to further sexual acts including abuse of minors. Some I might boldly suggest, are victims of circumstance, in hindsight may never have entered the clergy, horrified at the thought that they may offend in this way. Still a crime against another human has been committed. Penalty for violation of the vow is removal from the clergy,further punishment should be administered by the law, as with any other sexual offender.
Still on the strength of their belief and conviction to God, unless married of course, should volunteer for medical intervention of the removal or at least the reduction of sexual urges. Humane castration.
Nip it in the bud, so to speak.
As for convicted pedophiles, Many of whom have deep seeded psychological problems, their behaviour has become a disease of the mind and controls them. Something that may never be exorcised and probably one of the most difficult class of offenders to make the punish fit the crime. In unprotected custody they would no doubt be dealt with. Castration, even the age old treatment of shock therapy, other than that, I have to do some more study.